The Nuclear Option - Michael Shellenberger

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• 
  Gjalt123
  July 17th, 2020
  

  Nuclear industry promoter.

  https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/a-radioactive-wolf-in-green-clothing-dissecting-the-latest-pro-nuclear-spin,10735

  The Nuclear Option - Michael Shellenberger
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  caesar963
  July 17th, 2020
  

  It’s clean, as it turns us all green.

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  apnea
  July 18th, 2020
  

  Who will build Americas new nuke plants? Americans? Bahaha…

  ‘Why Has It Taken 40 Years To Build A Tennessee Nuclear Power Plant?’

  https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2015/05/12/tennessee-nuclear-power-plant

  Pretty much the new normal for any big project in basket case USA. Like I’ve been pointing out, from 1st to worse in under 2 generations.

  How long does it take in China?

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  apnea
  July 18th, 2020
  

  How long does it take in China?

  ‘How China has Become the World’s Fastest Expanding Nuclear Power Producer’

  ‘It has 38 nuclear power reactors in operation and 19 under construction1/. It has increased its number of operating reactors by more than ten times since 2000 and plans to bring five units into commercial operation this year alone. It is China, the fastest expanding nuclear power generator in the world.’

  https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/how-china-has-become-the-worlds-fastest-expanding-nuclear-power-producer

  How The West Has Lost.

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• 
  caesar963
  July 18th, 2020
  

  …they can also build a concentration camp in no time flat. How humiliating for the barbaric…West?!

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  apnea
  July 22nd, 2020
  

  caesar963, they probably modelled their camps on the US prison system. The Americans have the most human beings incarcerated of any country in the world & at least 1/3rd of it is for profit corporate owned prisons. China has over 10X the population of the US & nowhere near the 2 million prisoner population the US has.

  Speaking of barbaric concentration camps, which you Brits invented btw, check out the numerous reports, pictures & video of the American ICE concentration camps & inhumane treatment, including rape, of the inmates. Lots of kids there too. Real civilized.

  The real kicker about the US for profit prison industry is how many inmates are lowly wage slaves for corporate America.

  The ugly truth probably hasn’t penetrated that bubble you live in, but it has a name:Prison–industrial complex
  Another American corporate criminal racket.

  “The federal government markets prison labor to businesses as the “best-kept secret”

  The Department of Justice says prison labor is good for a company’s bottom line.’

  “Just take a look at how the federal government markets its prisoner workforce to the private sector. In marketing brochures, the Department of Justice touts its “cost-effective labor pool” and a workforce with “Native English and Spanish language skills.”

  About 17,000 inmates at federal prisons work at more than 50 government factories, farms, and call centers across the country, according to the latest annual report published by the DOJ program Federal Prison Industries, also known as Unicor. Prisoners make air filters, clothes, lamps, and office supplies for wages that range from 23 cents an hour to $1.15 an hour.”

  https://www.vox.com/2018/8/24/17768438/national-prison-strike-factory-labor

  It’s no secret. There are books, docs & hundreds of articles describing how it works, but most don’t care including you methinks. There is no horrific behaviour any country is currently doing to humans that the British empire & American empire haven’t done or are doing.

  All you arrogant China Russia hater-bashers or whomever the bad guy dejour their media & think tanks sic y’all on don’t have a leg to stand on. You ain’t the good guys & never were. My country’s not the good guy either, just less bad. There are no good guys. That narrative is for the children.

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• 
  caesar963
  July 22nd, 2020
  

  Ask the people of Hong Kong for a free, honest, uncoerced opinion of the communist regime/empire. While there’s still time.

  Also, my bubble is not British - like your own bubble, it’s located in one of those non-British countries you (may?) have heard about. (Unless you’re one of those self-hating Brits - who doesn’t accept Boris as your president?)

  The Chinese regime has 1.5 million Uighur Muslims (inclusive of families, children, neighbours, friends, acquaintances) unjustly crowded into concentration camps (their use of unlawful detention camps would, of course, predate the nominated American prisons). These are merely the numbers we are aware of - from only one ethnic minority. One of the myriad innocent peoples who do not fit. The conditions are, of course, inhuman - abuse, rape, weaponised hunger - like the British - beatings, killings, organ harvesting - which is also big business. It’s also sui generis to that system. And the Coronavirus is reported to have hit many of the enormous, crowded camps back in February. Naturally, the final numbers would exceed any other country - from any period in human history.

  Any regime which routinely employs concentration camps is ipso facto barbaric - the British, the Chinese, your many authoritarian heroes, the Nazis, or those who, in historical fact, originated concentration camps - the Spanish in Cuba during the 1880s. The use of such brutal barbarism is, at the very least, a poor indication of intent.

  All of the millions unjustly detained by the Chinese regime are innocent. That’s what happens when there is no valid system of justice available. Under a regime of retrospective legislation, secret laws, absence of due process, presumption of innocence, system of appeals, habeas corpus, judicial & tribunal independence, secret courts - and no civil, political or human rights - nothing like justice can ever be secured. This is why the people of Hong Kong - who really do know of what they speak - are fighting so hard to resist the spread of this barbarically inhuman lacuna of rights. Try to answer an honest question: do the courageous protestors favour their (rapidly fading) Western system, or the Chinese regime? I won’t hold my breath for an honest answer.

  As to your childish narrative - of course it’s absurd. The issue is one of manifestly appalling systems; and far less appalling systems. If your country is an open prison - with a significant subset of concentration camps, and the threat of same - then you know where you are.

  All of this information is no secret. There are books, docs & hundreds of articles describing how it works, but most don’t care, including you, methinks.

  It’s an ethical imperative to reject such evil, authoritarian regimes - certainly not to cheerlead for their massive human rights abuses.
  If you’re first instinct is to defend the use of concentration camps, you are morally bankrupt. It’s as blunt as that.

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• 
  newheathen
  October 20th, 2021
  

  I know this is an old thread but as a qualified historian I just wanted to chime in to correct some inaccuracies:

  Did the British invent the ‘Concentration Camp’?

  The straight answer is; No.

  The actual term ‘concentration camp’ was invented by the Spanish (as campo de concentración or campo de reconcentración) in 1896 – three years before the 2nd Anglo-Boer War (1899 – 1904) started. It originated during The Cuban War of Independence (Guerra de Independencia cubana, 1895–98) was the last of three liberation wars that Cuba fought against Spain.

  Then was South Africa the 2nd place where Concentration Camps were used?

  The straight answer is again – No.

  The second country to operate concentration camps was the United States of America in September 1899 in the Philippines. At this point in the historic time-line the British had not yet engaged the ‘Concentration Camp’ system in its full-blown manifestation in South Africa (which started in earnest at the beginning of 1901).

  Then was South Africa the 3rd place where Concentration Camps were used?

  This time, sadly – the straight answer is – Yes.

  The third country to set up concentration camps was Britain, but they did not initially call them concentration camps, they called them ‘Government Laagers” and ‘Refugee Camps’.

  The reasons were similar to that of Spain in Cuba and the USA in the Philippines; Britain was at war with the two Boer Republics of South Africa, which had turned to guerrilla warfare once their conventional field armies were defeated. This stage is known as ‘Stage 3’ – The Guerrilla Phase of the South African War 1899-1902.

  I can provide further information if required.

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