Defund Fear: Safety Without Policing, Prisons, and Punishment - Zach Norris
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As the effects of aggressive policing and mass incarceration harm historically marginalized communities and tear families apart, how do we define safety? In a time when the most powerful institutions in the United States are embracing the repressive and racist systems that keep many communities struggling and in fear, we need to reimagine what safety means. Community leader and lawyer Zach Norris lays out a radical way to shift the conversation about public safety away from fear and punishment and toward growth and support systems for our families and communities. In order to truly be safe, we are going to have to dismantle our mentality of Us vs. Them. By bridging the divides and building relationships with one another, we can dedicate ourselves to strategic, smart investments—meaning resources directed toward our stability and well-being, like healthcare and housing, education and living-wage jobs. This is where real safety begins.
Originally published in hardcover as We Keep Us Safe: Building Secure, Just, and Inclusive Communities, Defund Fear is a blueprint of how to hold people accountable while still holding them in community. The result reinstates full humanity and agency for everyone who has been dehumanized and traumatized, so they can participate fully in life, in society, and in the fabric of our democracy.
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As the effects of aggressive policing and mass incarceration harm historically marginalized communities and tear families apart, how do we define safety? In a time when the most powerful institutions in the United States are embracing the repressive and racist systems that keep many communities struggling and in fear, we need to reimagine what safety means. Community leader and lawyer Zach Norris lays out a radical way to shift the conversation about public safety away from fear and punishment and toward growth and support systems for our families and communities. In order to truly be safe, we are going to have to dismantle our mentality of Us vs. Them. By bridging the divides and building relationships with one another, we can dedicate ourselves to strategic, smart investments—meaning resources directed toward our stability and well-being, like healthcare and housing, education and living-wage jobs. This is where real safety begins. Originally published in hardcover as We Keep Us Safe: Building Secure, Just, and Inclusive Communities, Defund Fear is a blueprint of how to hold people accountable while still holding them in community. The result reinstates full humanity and agency for everyone who has been dehumanized and traumatized, so they can participate fully in life, in society, and in the fabric of our democracy. |
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This post has 46 comments with rating of 2.2/5
December 31st, 2021
Defund crime
December 31st, 2021
lol
December 31st, 2021
This, and own a gun…
December 31st, 2021
Seems like a certain means of facilitating & intensifying fear.
Reform institutions in a measurable, rational fashion. Also fund outreach, education & early intervention programmes. Defunding hits all of these, as funds are automatically redirected to fire-fighting endeavours - to flashpoints of greatest prominence & visibility. The crimes which cause the most public concern.
Consult with victims of violent, serious crime, & the communities.
Never signal to violent & repeat offenders that they may henceforth act with virtual impunity.
December 31st, 2021
the whole idea of “defund” is kinda a misunderstanding, more like move funds from what you do after a crime has been committed to what you need to do to prevent crimes from being committed in the first place.
December 31st, 2021
Who’d have thought that just holding hands and empathising with people would reduce the need for any policing and incarceration! I might suggest that next we try defunding fear of food shortage etc as we would find that, amazingly, we would not need food or shelter. A true utopia awaits those who dare imagine!
December 31st, 2021
where are the normal books? we get used to every insanity too soon
December 31st, 2021
Yep defund police and prisons…
What could go wrong LMAO!!!!!
December 31st, 2021
I would like to see only progressives hired by police departments. They all have excellent ideas on how policing should be done.
Once we get rid of all those bad republican white police we will have a true paradise of racial justice.
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‘It’s just crazy’: 12 major cities hit all-time homicide records. “It’s worse than a war zone around here lately,” police official said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-major-us-cities-top-annual-homicide-records/story?id=81466453
December 31st, 2021
urban10: “where are the normal books?”
How many gay romances do we really need?
December 31st, 2021
The Police State needs to end. We start by taking away their military assets and funding. We train them in peaceful ways to detain people not using force. We will never evolve as a species if we don’t start treating everyone as equals. We need to get rid of money and put a end to greed and the ruling elite. One world One gov we are all equal no one in charge. utopia.
December 31st, 2021
“We train them to detain people using no force”
There’s one problem with that, the bad quys will happily use force to stop these peaceful officers…
December 31st, 2021
As a mentally ill person in the US, I am way more scared of cops than I am of criminals. Criminals have better things to do than hassle me. Cops might kill me because they’re bored, or because my reactions to their harassment doesn’t match what they expect. I’m just glad I’m not the kind of mentally ill that loses touch with reality, those being the poor folk cops most often murder within the broader “mentally ill” catch all.
Also, if I need to defend myself, I can kill a criminal legally, if the circumstances warrant it. If I kill a cop in justified self-defense the rest of that gang will make it their goal to murder me.
Years ago I used to live in Alaska and was part of a martial arts group run by cops and troopers. The standards they had back then, I guess about twenty-five years ago now, were way higher than what I see modern cops go on TV and talk about. They had, for example, the rule that they were only allowed to escalate to one level above whatever kind of violence was being used against them. Like baton for fists, pepper spray or taser for blunt weapons, firearms for knives, etc. I think policing in the US has gotten a lot worse. Either that, or I didn’t know what our students actually did in the field.
December 31st, 2021
“FreePalestine”
Why is it totally kosher for the media to tell us all about George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc., yet they don’t even give 1% of that attention to the atrocities carried out by our “most cherished ally” against the indigenous people of Palestine?
If Mr. Norris wrote a book against AIPAC and the ADL, would Penguin Random House distribute it?
December 31st, 2021
Banal mass-market drivel and untutored codswallop.
December 31st, 2021
“If Mr. Norris wrote a book against AIPAC and the ADL, would Penguin Random House distribute it?”
C’mon. Don’t you know there are laws against noticing?
The ADL tells me its antisemitic to hold the opinion they run the country but for Christ’s sake, what am I supposed to make of Biden’s cabinet? They hold 7 out of the top 8 positions. It’s fine to say there are too many white men running the country but it’s forbidden to say there are too many ….
#Oscarstoowhite. LOL
December 31st, 2021
If you think it’s hard living with the police, try living without them.
December 31st, 2021
Defund the police? It’s another moment of something sounding good in a classroom and translating badly into real life.
But this is, basically, all Leftist policies. You take a noble ideal, ignore all practical realities and then pretend whatever action you took produced a successful outcome even as cities burn and murder rates skyrocket.
I see we’re only a few hours into 2022 and there’s no taking a foot off the gas when it comes to doublespeak and delusion from those that believe themselves, without evidence, to be the most “educated generation in history”.
January 1st, 2022
Perhaps the black community should defund rap music which glorifies violence, drugs, sexism, a gangster lifestyle and bad taste? Black culture is part of the problem for the high numbers in jail.
January 1st, 2022
Iraqois…
100% agree..
January 1st, 2022
In a perfect world, this would work.
At my age, this world isn’t perfect but, I certainly know I’m going to heaven cause it’s pure hell down here.
Defunding the police….it’s not quite right in the fact that the criminals would have a feeding frenzy on the public.
Do I think (as a Canadian) that cops have gone to the wild, wild west of solving things….yes. This is because I have (and had) members in the RCMP and different police forces in our country and, they even said that what was right and done correctly 20 years or more ago no longer applies. Police are ramping things up fast on the streets…..you haul a pen on them and, you’ll get stun gun….take your cell phone out and, you’ll get a 9 mm.
Not all cops are like this but, to defund the police would be letting the foxes in the hen house to help guard the hens so to speak.
Great idea in the classroom and on paper but, remember…..it may look great and work out fine on paper but, as soon as the real world get’s ahold of it….all bets are off and, start praying!
Stay safe folks and, Happy New Year to all the pirates out there!:)
bd.
January 1st, 2022
The publisher asked for controversy by changing the title to put “Defund” there, which of course triggered all the rightards, none of whom will read past the first word of the title before penning their apocalyptic rants.
January 1st, 2022
@Caesar:”Reform institutions in a measurable, rational fashion. Also fund outreach, education & early intervention programmes.”
You have encapsulated what “Defund the police” is actually about. So you actually support the logic of this policy that you reflexively oppose.
January 1st, 2022
> But this is, basically, all Leftist policies. You take a noble ideal, ignore all practical realities and then pretend whatever action you took produced a successful outcome even as cities burn and murder rates skyrocket…
I guess, in this instance it has little, if anything to do with “nobility” in a traditional sense.
As some observant folks noted, the Left does not really want to defund the police (incidentally, one of the oldest conservative institutions of the country, so far the hardest to subvert, local sheriffs and all). What they really want is to *become* the police, and towards that end all means are acceptable, including this seemingly non-sensical, irrational, counter-productive, raw emotion-driven “defund the police”.
ESSE NON VIDERI, the ancient Romans used to say.
In this case, VIDERI (PRETENCE, PERCEPTION) revolves around the untimely death of George Floyd at local police hands, creates and helps proper optics and plausible deniability. While ESSE (REAL INTENT) is what the Left really want to happen (use plausible excuse for political action against local police, crime goes through the roof, then people are more likely to accept another “fundamental transformation”, like replacing local police with federal one, now under their full control).
As far as political conspiracy theories go, how I’m doing so far?
Yeah, we rightards are all about apocalyptic rants, what else is new.
January 1st, 2022
Yeah, Gweilo, I appreciate that, but you have to read & understand the rest of it. What happens in the real world with the existing pressures on remaining funding. That’s the key point. The softer power of policing is denuded in such circumstances. Long-term, beneficial policies inevitable suffer. However, all approaches are necessary, given the reality of human nature. I know this from my own jurisdiction, and the study of it in law & practice (the inner logic & function of penology, and the techniques/policies of criminology). It’s very far from a reflexive position, of course.
It does seem to be an absurd title & thesis statement, right enough.
January 1st, 2022
“inevitably” suffer.
January 1st, 2022
@alnilam: you bein by acknowledging that no one literally wants to “defund
the police”’, the revert to assuming they do.
Then you find the idea that “ the left” wants to become the police as sinister. Controlling the police is one of the functions of government. It doesn’t get to make its own rules because cops tend to be conservative.
@ Caesar: again, you are describing what the policy actually is. The problem it addresses is the tendency to throw money at violent repression, quick fix that doesn’t actually work but “tough on crime” makes a good slogan; to treat the populace as an enemy that must be subdued, imprisoned or even killed.
The US has an absolutely huge number of people in jail, at enormous expense. And spends billions on military hardware for cops. The idea is you spend less on repression and punishment, more on all the public services and interventions that will reduce criminality.
Dirty Harry can’t reduce crime by executing criminals. You need more Dixons of Dock Green, more social workers, better housing, jeducation, jobs.
Anyway, the US is likely to continue trying to solve crime with more guns, making it even worse, just as dysfunctional as their health care system.
January 1st, 2022
I honestly don’t see how the gun can be taken out of American society. We have an unarmed police force here; a conscious decision, which was all the more unusual because they were established during a post-independence civil war. Together with an intermittent, fully armed terror threat over the decades (many officers were murdered by these actors).
Funding is made available for diversion programmes - early intervention for juveniles in marginalised areas, because processing youths through the institutional system is more likely to create recidivism.
That said, our unarmed, relatively compassionate & societally-engaged police force is still broadly seen by disadvantaged communities as “the enemy” as you said there. An external authority, to be resisted. And, of course, it’s the disadvantaged community that suffers all the more, often at the negligible mercy of predatory criminals.
The point there is, even with that contrast to armed policing, you can’t buck human nature, as we know. The remaining funds will always go to the extreme areas; serious, violent crime - perceived & actual emergency cases. Consequently, all measures, both soft & strong, must be available, & deployed in rational conjunction. There is no magic bullet, so to speak.
January 1st, 2022
@Caesar: nobody, nobody, nobody, is advocating defunding emergency services. No idea why you keep talking about this as if it were the cornerstone of this policy, when it’s just the straw man created by the conservatives.
As vaccination costs a tiny percentage of treating disease, interventions to prevent crime cost much less than catching, prosecuting and incarcerating criminals. So you have more funds for emergency services if you lock up fewer people. It’s the fear of being seen as “soft on crime” that makes dumb, cruel, policy.
January 1st, 2022
Dismantling the police, a measure already proposed in Minneapolis, makes about as much sense as eliminating doctors or farmers, and would likewise lead to pain and death. But if there is method to the madness, and I suspect there is in some Machiavellian quarters, it’s perhaps this: certain leftists want to eliminate the police because they want to become the police. Or, at least, they want their foot soldiers to fill that role. Oh, there are other motivations, too… [snip]. Remember, though, if you’re a power seeker, *you attack those whose power you want for yourself*. And upon attaining police power, enforcing a political agenda becomes much easier. (American Thinker: ‘Defund the police’? The method to the Left’s madness by Selwyn Duke * Jun 7, 2020)
January 1st, 2022
Given that there’s a spectrum of opinion on defunding, “nobody” is far too absolute, in this context. There are rational reformers within the movement & “police abolitionists” pertinently enough. Both major American parties have spoken against this extreme aspect of defunding.
From the “Journalists Resource” definition: “For some, “defund the police” is a movement, a stepping stone toward abolishing police departments entirely.”
“Activists who use the phrase may do so with varying intentions; some seek modest reductions, while others argue for full divestment as a step toward the abolition of contemporary police services.”
My point is that funding must address both soft & strong policing adequately. If there’s a squeeze on funds, remaining funds go to the serious areas, & early interventions suffer. Funds are finite. “Reallocating” means redirecting, reducing existing funds in required areas. Police are given an enormous range of responsibilities, all of which require necessary resources. “Defunding” or “abolishing” does not, and cannot, adequately address this.
January 1st, 2022
@ Caesar: fine, just define the whole concept the way the most extreme do the way all your comrades above have, and argue against that.
Don’t engage with what serious people say, like this book.
Just use what “American Thinker” or Ted Cruz says as your target and open fire.
January 2nd, 2022
That there is a spectrum of opinion on defunding is hardly an extreme analysis. A balanced approach to policing is the most productive. Defunding would be destructive. To assert that “nobody” is calling for defunding necessary services is erroneous & extreme. Extremist l/r ideologues are always wrong, and a proven disaster for any society.
Rational, measurable reform & proper funding of soft & strong policing measures remains the optimum approach. The standard criminality problems still persist in our unarmed, early intervention paradigm. There exists no magical solutions, particularly “without policing.”
Serious people, responsible interest groups such as the Penal Reform Trust, have been discussing these issues for decades. And they certainly do not recommend defunding any of the services. However, because they don’t advance controversial, weaponised absurdity, they don’t receive due attention.
January 2nd, 2022
@caesar: You just keep setting up the same straw man, I’m getting tired of it. This book certainly doesn’t advocate what you have been attacking in your usual patronising way as you misrepresent the whole concept.
OK, name those who do advocate “defundng the police”. Are any of them legislators? Do any of them actually advocate abolishing police?
Not what some anonymous “activist” or commentator says they believe. Their own words.
January 2nd, 2022
PREFACE TO THE 2021 EDITION (fragment):
There is no denying that Donald Trump escalated the hateful rhetoric that animates the “framework of fear” while rolling back human rights advances and the rule of law itself. Still, this legacy cannot be laid at the feet of any one president, no matter how god-awful he has been. The man in 2020’s White House is not the sole source of our suffering and insecurity. Regardless of who occupies the White House, *we must defund the machine of fear and dehumanization*. In its place, we must build a system of care that prioritizes public health and mental health, the restoration of relationships, and investment in our communities. Our overall community health can only ever be as good as the health of our most distressed communities.
> we must defund the machine of fear and dehumanization
Let’s see if I got this right so far:
(i) Donald Trump was rolling back human rights advances and the rule of law itself
(ii) the police is “machine of fear and dehumanization”, and as such it must be defunded
(iii) in its place, some wonderful alternate reality system is possible
January 2nd, 2022
@alnilam You made a quote, then you redefined the words to mean what you want them to mean. I guess you were stuck, since that the one and only time he used the word “defund” in the book, aside from the title, clearly the publisher wanted to cash in with the buzzword.
Anyway
i) obviously true
ii) you made that up
iii) you made that up too.
Since it appears you have the book, you might read it. It’s mostly case studies about how police and prisons are hugely wasteful, dysfunctional and oppressive; which is pretty much what right wingers think about any government function..
January 2nd, 2022
@Gweilo
> clearly the publisher wanted to cash in with the buzzword
Clearly. Indeed, it would be wonderful to switch the argument from the actual ideas-views-intentions-policies and steer it into some obscure linguistic territory, surely that horse then can be flogged to death ad infinitum.
> Anyway
> i) obviously true
Obviously a lie
> ii) you made that up
I merely extracted and inserted the actual meaning from the book here
> iii) you made that up too
Isn’t it what the author himself keeps on insisting all along? — in that closely resembling the Soviets “We must first totally destroy the evil old world, and then in its place build a new shining one” (*)
(*) where observant folks can easily discern two false premises lumped together, first that the old world is really that bad, and second that “progressives” can really build in its place something good and long-lasting.
January 2nd, 2022
Crikey, you’re certainly puttin’ ol’ Caesar on the spot! A New Year, too. Doesn’t a concept have to be fully considered, in its totalitarianism, as it were? Again, from Journalists Resource.org: ‘Defund the police’ means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department,” writes Univ of Maryland sociologist Rashawn Ray in a June, 2020 Brookings Institution blog post. “That’s it. It’s that simple.”
“Around the same time as Ray’s writing, activist and educator Mariame Kaba wrote a New York Times opinion essay titled, “Yes, we mean literally abolish the police.”
“When Rep. [Ilhan] Omar says that policing is rooted in evil and [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi compares police officers to Nazi storm troopers, it makes it very difficult for police departments around the country to recruit people to become police officers.”
Respected academic & activist, Angela Davis advocated for the defunding or abolition of police departments. The 2017 book The End of Policing by Alex S. Vitale has been called “a manual of sorts for the defund movement.”
Joe Biden, when a presidential nominee, opposed defunding police forces, arguing instead that policing needed reform. Senator Bernie Sanders also opposed defunding. Senator Cory Booker said he understood the sentiment behind the slogan but would not use it.
On Nov 9, 2020, House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn stated that “‘Defund the police’ is killing our party, and we’ve got to stop it.” Clyburn argued that the phrase was reminiscent of the similarly radical phrase “burn, baby, burn” used in the racial protests of the 60’s, which undermined broad support for dismantling racial injustice.
This is a key point.
Lawmakers such as Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez support defunding the police, believing that “Policing in our country is inherently & intentionally racist” & thus have called for Police Depts to be dismantled. (From “Which lawmakers support defunding the police?”. Newsweek. Retriev Jun 23, ‘21. And “Rashida Tlaib on Defunding the Police: In These Times. Retriev Jun 23, ‘21.)
In a Dec 2020 interview with journalist Peter Hamby, former President Barack Obama said that using “defund the police” may cause politicians to lose support and make their statements less effective.
So again, to assert that “nobody” is calling for defunding necessary services is erroneous, extreme & a disingenuous misrepresentation. It would be more honest to seek out the factual basis yourself, rather than going down the con theory rabbit hole of saying that “nobody, nobody, nobody, is advocating defunding” or abolition. It’s not helpful, as anyone can admit.
Additionally, do you not consider the trends in activism - both good & bad; rational or destructively extreme - to be relevant or significant?
That being said, as I observed earlier, I agree that the title & thesis statement are utterly foolish, & hopefully not completely representative of the content. The discourse certainly doesn’t need any more such arrant stupidity.
January 3rd, 2022
Thanks!
January 5th, 2022
@alnilam
i) Donald Trump was rolling back human rights advances and the rule of law itself
— e.g., Muslim ban, “I just want to find 11,780 votes”
Your other points were created by you, not what the author said.
@caesar: yeah, you found some extremists. Angela Davis, FFS.
And just like Fox News et al, you make that the headline, rather than what people like the author of this book actually propose.
No one with any power is proposing to just delete the police and leave it at that. Even the most radical proposals to remove police entirely, as was proposed (but of course, not enacted) in Minneapolis, amount to building a new agency from scratch, one that tries to solve problems before they become crimes, rather than trying to reform the existing organisation that does nothing until violence has already been committed, as is common now. Presumably many members of this would be former cops, but working under different rules of engagement.
But never going to happen in the US, because “tough on crime” sells as an election slogan. One Willie Horton beats ten George Floyds. LBJ had a “war on poverty” then Nixon replaced that with a “war on drugs” and it’s been downhill ever since.
Political leadership can change a police force’s direction. For an awful example of how this works, in Hong Kong in the 70s, an ICAC was created to prosecute corruption, and the very corrupt police became one of the most trusted and effective police forces in the world. But in the last 10 years, appointing “loyal” (to Beijing) police commissioners has turned them into a tool of political repression.
January 5th, 2022
@Gweilo
> Your other points were created by you, not what the author said
I think I managed to extract the actual author’s meaning pretty accurately (while remaining reasonably close to the original text).
January 5th, 2022
As I explained at the outset, there is a spectrum of reform voices, it’s never just a monolith. Angela Davis is there, but also the actual legislators whom I mentioned, who are in the defunding column.
Lawmakers such as Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez support defunding the police, …have called for Police Depts to be dismantled. (From “Which lawmakers support defunding the police?”. Newsweek. And “Rashida Tlaib on Defunding the Police: In These Times.)
Extremists are ever the problem. More moderate political voices, as I outlined, are expressing frustration with the extreme problem posed by the defund/abolish elements. These incl Pres Biden, Sen Bernie Sanders, Sen Cory Booker, House Maj Whip Jim Clyburn, & Pres Obama.
This foolishness - incl mindless slogans, as w the title - damages & discredits rational moves towards needful reform.
So again, it isn’t true that “nobody” is calling for defunding necessary services. That assertion is false.
Aren’t the trends in activism - both good & bad; rational or destructively extreme - relevant or significant?
It’s true that the title & thesis statement are simple-minded, & indeed hopefully not completely representative of the content.
Depressingly, on the subject of the CCP & Hong Kong, the “Pillar of Shame” statue in HK marking the Tiananmen Sq massacre has been removed.
The Chinese govt says 200 civilians & several dozen security personnel died in 1989. Other ests have ranged up to as many as 10,000 civilians murdered.
Chinese authorities have cited safety or public health concerns as reasons for restricting & removing the statue. Nothing sinister about that at all.
January 6th, 2022
@alnilam “xtract the actual author’s meaning”
Sure. He said he wanted to create a “wonderful alternate reality system”. What chapter was that in?
@caesar963: If you read the bit about Rashida Tlaib, probably the most prominent person you cited, she made a tweet and the next day and ever since has been walking it back, without actually disavowing it. But despite that game, in the interview she explains what she actually proposes.
Anyway, no matter how much you fancy yourself above the far right propagandists, you frame policies in exactly the same way, mix and match stuff to misrepresent what the actual thing is being proposed as spun by Sen Cruz or Fox News. Most annoyingly, then lecture us on what should really be done, which often is what the original proposition was.
Done here.
January 6th, 2022
@Gweilo
> “xtract the actual author’s meaning” Sure. He said he wanted to create a “wonderful alternate reality system”. What chapter was that in?
> Let’s see if I got this right so far:
> (i) Donald Trump was rolling back human rights advances and the rule of law itself
> (ii) the police is “machine of fear and dehumanization”, and as such it must be defunded
> (iii) in its place, some wonderful alternate reality system is possible
Apparently, there’s some part of “Let’s see if I got this right so far” you have trouble understanding. The whole premise of this book sounds and looks and feels like some wonderful alternate police system (hence my earlier “alternate reality” reference), designed and intended to replace the traditional police and law enforcement as we know it. I don’t have time right now, but at some point I may resume my reading, and comment a bit more, assuming at that point the comments are not closed.
January 6th, 2022
I would agree, as I mentioned, that the extremes are indeed the problem. They poison the well, necessitating constant vigilance. Misdirection & misrepresentation are always there, as I addressed earlier.
The broad range of policing - both soft & strong - must be fully resourced, as I know from my own jurisdiction. There is authorial complicity here in the mindless extremist sloganeering. Important to be aware of the essential contours.
January 12th, 2022
Good discussion here. Shows that the book is needed for awareness raising.
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