Outgrowing God: A Beginner’s Guide - Richard Dawkins
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Should we believe in God? In this new book, for a new generation, the brilliant science writer and author of The God Delusion explains why we shouldn’t.
Should we believe in God? Do we need God in order to explain the existence of the universe? Do we need God in order to be good? In 12 chapters that address some of the most profound questions human beings confront, Dawkins marshals science, philosophy and comparative religion to interrogate the hypocrisies of all the religious systems and explain to listeners of all ages how life emerged without a Creator, how evolution works and how our world came into being.
For anyone hoping to grapple with the meaning of life and what to believe, Outgrowing God is a challenging, thrilling and revelatory listen.
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This post has 26 comments with rating of 5/5
October 5th, 2019
Wee bit of a condescending title?
October 5th, 2019
Love me some Dawkins. The modern bugbear of both sides of the political divide for daring to point out that only crazy people believe in magical sky fairies.
He’s right. They’re wrong. But they’re way noisier than he is.
October 5th, 2019
All of his arguments cannot lead to anything other than an open question. That’s philosophy, properly understood. His simplistic brand of God-denial appeals to those who are, well…
If religion is not a force in his life, if he has honestly developed his own independent comprehensive philosophy of life, from first principles (no, no he really hasn’t) - why does he still obsess over it? Profit? Surely not?!
October 5th, 2019
Dr Panspermia returns with his latest fairytale :D
No one is so blind as a “scientist” who can’t see that he himself is evidence of an Eternal Creator.
October 5th, 2019
Pan-spermia comes from ole sticky Dick Dawkins?! I had thought that Pan-spermia was a fertile region of Asia. I wasn’t aware that it emanated from prideful, swollen Dick.*
Well, at least he won’t profit from his seedy muck-slinging here, due to the fundamental decency & generosity of enigma.
*Any double entendres or suggestiveness is purely accidental, and not the fault of the member. No puns were harmed during the making of these innocuous innuendos.
October 6th, 2019
See the noise. It’s amazing how quickly it turns up. Always from people pretending to be much cleverer than they actually are.
October 6th, 2019
Is there egg on my face, or what? We’re all sorta in the pretension business, Gordo - that one functions as a non-statement. And if you’ve ever seen Richard in full spate, the term “noise” would be wholly inadequate to capture the experience. Perhaps shrill, screech or shriek might do the trick, particularly when he’s contradicted or refuted. Kind of takes it with poor grace, which explains the overt bitchiness. But then bitchiness is a currency in wide circulation, eh, Gordon?
October 6th, 2019
So is your Eternal Creator better than the other guys Eternal Creator? The pious can’t even settle on one God - at least atheists are united in our disbelief in any silly superstition.
October 6th, 2019
You are you,
I am me.
We are what we are.
And we are heeeere… we are heeeere…
October 6th, 2019
On a philosophical level, why should any Creator be separable or divided? Human beings are utterly fractured in every single respect, both within themselves & without; their division in terms of religion is merely a reflection of this. We don’t even have full access to our own consciousness, nor can we be sure of sensory experience.
Theists, atheists & inbetweeners rely on metaphysical concepts all of the time - the existence of which cannot be proven or established.
What is offensive is when some utter dingbat blurts out some certainty in this regard, such as “I am absolutely certain of the non-existence/existence of X - and anyone who thinks differently is beneath contempt, and quite inferior.” There’s a little too much of that garbage passing for thought.
The opposite of faith is not doubt, it’s certainty.
October 6th, 2019
Ah, but is it ssafe to posit that we are all really heeeere? Elon Musk is almost certain that we’re not, and he’s, well…he’s extremely rich.
October 7th, 2019
David Christian’s book will give you an excellent understanding of the creation (sans the divine creator) up until present day. Whether you choose to believe it or not will be not a decision of faith, but rationality.
Your misconception may be that like many Christians (to their own admission), atheists are broken people too. We’re not, and we’re not looking for a magical answer without rational meaning, that’s the easy way out. Atheism isn’t a belief or lack thereof, it’s a certainly less austere than ‘heretic’, but think of it as a label for those of us who paid attention beyond 8th grade science class - we’re attempting to save you from wasting your life in the pursuit of utter rubbish.
If not for heretics (atheists) the earth would still be flat, the sun would go around the world and you’d be dying of the plague while you’re being bloodlet because germs are too small to see with the naked eye (praying always helps get rid of germs, that’s why people say bless you when you sneeze).
The last few hundred years the world’s scientists decided to hypothesize, test, theorise, and have others review and test their claims, then reproduce them successfully time and time again. (This is important).
Oops, you missed the dawn of science and the modern age… Should have paid attention in class.
I’m sorry you missed it.
Let me clarify - I’m not sorry for you, I’m sorry for everyone else on the planet you’re holding back.
We’re not atheists because we don’t believe in a higher power.
We’re atheists because we have a ‘divine’ understanding of how the fragments of the world fit together, from the great expansion through to creating the first organic life on earth, through to how your brain processes the light that enters your eyes as your read this medium, prompting you to make a decision to either embarrass yourself further, or close the window and reconsider what you’ll do with your insignificant time on this tiny planet.
There’s a big adventure of knowledge waiting for you out there, believe me, it’s much more satisfying.
So, what’ll it be?
October 7th, 2019
Wow - you’re exhibiting exactly the kind of arrogant brainless certainty that I condemned above. And that’s a serious avalanche of assumptions right there! You’re also drawing links & connections which are wholly unsustainable. Why contrive a bogus “either/or” dichotomy when existence is characterised by “and”?
Also, I didn’t say atheism was a belief (oy!) - you’re strategically & expediently responding to all the arguments I did not make. You’re also assuming that everyone is American - the grade system doesn’t travel well outside of your localised imbroglio.
Indeed, I hope that you will pay attention in class right up to, and including, your terminal grade.
(Btw, here’s a cool window on the past, your ‘flat earth’ myth was generated and popularised by the humourist Washington Irving (he wrote Rip Van Winkle, too) in 1828. You haven’t learned about that in History “grade” have you? I blame your inept, brutish teachers!)
Another assumption: you imagine that I’m attacking atheists as people (Dawkins is a special case, I’ll explain why if you wish). Of course I’m not. I said that all people are united in an existential, metaphysical quest. It cannot be otherwise. You’re the one throwing puerile, hysterical insults & witless labels.
In addition, don’t assume that you can speak definitively & normatively for all atheists - as in all things, there is a spectrum, and a whole host of variations & beliefs.
You assume also that I think all atheists are broken, I do not. Some people are broken, of course. However, the condition of all human beings is that we are deeply flawed - that’s an inescapable fact. Unless you can produce a perfect, flawless individual.
Yet another assumption: that “scientist” = “atheist” - that is not the case now, nor has it been throughout history. For instance, when the Church established the university system, wherein scientific development took place. Or is history “Fake Nooz” as you guys put it?
I have nothing against atheism (I was one; several of my friends are), it’s a mostly harmless posture, unless in its ideological phase, of course. But where it leads to moral, ethical, existential emptiness (both individually & collectively), it is extremely dangerous, as we know. The greatest crimes & atrocities in history have been carried out by such regimes. Tens of millions of people did not fit their utopian ideal. But that would be at the macro level.
Metaphysical concepts are not amenable to the scientific method - science cannot adjudicate them (try putting metaphysics under a microscope) - yet their significance to life is nonpareil. A true knowledge of science, its functions & parameters, is necessary to comprehend this. Some people unfortunately tend to go with internet slogans & headlines, and allow this conceptual slum to determine their understanding of the sphere. Your “Culture Wars” have also poisoned the well. Try to transcend that hysterical nonsense.
Don’t just read (or listen to) one book, why not read Kant & Popper? Why not put your talking points in an actual rational, non-emotional context? Don’t just pick a side, like this is a mindless football game, embark on a genuine open quest for knowledge. You’ll never reach “The Answer” of course, but you can die in the attempt. Begin now - what are ya waitin’ for?! Ya big lug!
October 8th, 2019
Bless. Look at all those words. None of which actually demonstrate anything beyond the writer’s sense of self-importance.
Dawkins is right. His critics are delusional. But let’s hope that they pray for themselves while the rational get on with doing something of value, instead.
October 8th, 2019
Bless you too, Gordo, you beautiful, unique human being! But don’t be afraid of words, they can be your fast friends. Moreover, look beyond their superficially scary surface, to the actual meaning. If arguments are flawed, try to demonstrate their flaws - that will be far more persuasive. Certainly more convincing than an appeal to bogus authority (My Hero is right! And cannot be contradicted! This must be repeated ad nauseam & in place of an actual argument!).
As an example, I did the other chap the (unearned) courtesy of systematically correcting & clarifying each point, and illuminating the usual misconceptions which recur continuously in this area (the standard of the discourse, and the philosophical, scientific & historical illiteracy is shocking - “Religion is, like, so unsustainable right now, cos, y’know, er, scienticians…’n stuff. Lab coats are white, I think”).
Lack of knowledge will present as vulgar abuse; as a place-filler for informed debate. You will have seen this.
Criticism of all religions (& political ideologies) is essential & can be useful. However, the attempted arguments must be sound, philosophically sustainable, rationally coherent, balanced, free from hysterical emotion & genuinely informed; or, as in the present woeful manifestation, they’re best not tried at all.
A critical writer who fits the bill & is worth everyone’s time is John Gray. And, shock/horror! - he’s actually a learned philosopher who can construct proper arguments. That’s probably why you won’t have heard of him.
October 8th, 2019
If at first, your blather fails to leave an impact, condescend to your audience.
Well, at least, mercifully, that was briefer though no less stupid than the last lot.
October 9th, 2019
Well done; your characteristic ’short, and nowhere near the point’ approach. Of course, if you’re detecting condescension, Gordy-boy, blame yourself. You’ve yet to demonstrate even the slightest understanding of the area (or even logical sequential thought!). “Screeching Dick Dawkins good! Religion bad!” is your most dizzying achievement, thus far. Hopes aren’t high for your next dishonourable discharge.
However, if you can’t comprehend any of the arguments, at least you’re trying to show me that you’re capable of noticing when there are more words in the mix! So, you’re not being impacted, but you keep coming back for another slap? And then you’re hoping to persuade me that you’re a rational, nonhysterical type of chap? Hmm, must try harder…
October 9th, 2019
You are so special that they probably named the school bus after you.
I was taught never to engage with people too stupid to believe facts. It never turns out well. Have a lovely day licking windows and blathering about magical sky pixies being real.
October 9th, 2019
…quod erat demonstrandum.
Have you recently received a savage kick to the head from an inconsiderate equine? And now you’re reduced to typing short, hysterical, incoherent messages to people on the internet?
At least you haven’t descended into the full-caps phase of your disturbing pathology.
November 22nd, 2019
Many thesaurus in this thread.
Much overwrought.
Surely there’s a used up Word-of-the-Day calendar lying in a shallow grave somewhere because of all this eruditingnesismology.
December 22nd, 2019
http://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart
In its rawest form right here folks.
December 25th, 2019
This is not rocket science.
The growing body of scientific evidence shows clearly that the universe had a beginning and was designed.
Design can only come from a mind.
To disregard the science is up to each individual, to deny the science is merely irrantional.
December 28th, 2019
You don’t need a complete understanding of the universe to find Yahwey or Woden improbable.
I am not an atheist, but I appreciate the modicum of sanity Dawkins brings to those who believe in gaseous vertibrates who whisper books to desert nomads.
I am unsure if we will ever understand the supreme or if we fit into any narrative of ultinate importance.
December 28th, 2019
This ceasar guy tosses a helluva word salad.
September 7th, 2020
advances in language allow new concepts to be envisioned and new ways of thinking to exist.gods belong to medieval thinking and ancient language.superstition and all that.science is a new language and a progression for human thought.your brain is no different from a brain that lived two thousand years ago.
February 6th, 2026
caesar963, would you care to explain the discovery of dinosaur fossils and there place in world history, are they mentioned in any religious texts/manuscripts or perhaps they aren’t proof of a maker? I’m sure you could convince some atheists here why your right and Darwin was wrong…
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