Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins

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  Basileus5
  May 31st, 2022
  

  Usual woke drivel. “Let’s pretend what the Islamic invasion didn’t do what they did and focus on British”

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  hwaet
  May 31st, 2022
  

  I wonder how many anxious snow-flake conservatives are going to complain that “but we brought them culture”, and “what about that other boy who’s also mean to other kids”, or “they did it to themselves” or whatever. Like cockroaches when the light is turned on, they will rush to any improbable nook and cranny.

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  dchant
  May 31st, 2022
  

  

  Thank you kindly

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  AudireVidere
  May 31st, 2022
  

  

  @hwaet: The British have a lot to answer for, but I can’t think of any nation who doesn’t have at least one skeleton in their proverbial closet. And, sadly for both confirming your narrative and the population of Ukraine, Putin and his villainous army seem to be trying to outdo the likes of Stalin and Hitler in the number of atrocities caused and needless deaths inflicted on a once peaceful nation.

  Having said all that, I shall give it a listen.

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  superclive
  May 31st, 2022
  

  

  Thanks for sharing.
  In my humble opinion the British empire was not all bad but also not all good,like all history we can’t change it,but we should learn from it.
  It was of it’s time and I find it very interesting.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @Basileus5

  Don’t worry, you’re far too dumb to read and understand this, so it’s nothing you need to worry about.

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  hwaet
  May 31st, 2022
  

  AudireVidere, sure. History is a nightmare a lot of the time, and one nation’s glory is frequently another nation’s misery. Still, writing a book about all bad things lumped together would be a hopeless and useless undertaking, and just dismissing problematic past never seems to work for the better either.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @superclive

  Isn’t subjugating another nation or people that doesn’t want to be subjugated an inherently bad thing anyway? Saying “it wasn’t as bad as the others” doesn’t mean much if you were in Bengal.

  Good that you’ve an open mind though.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @Basileus5

  So what you’re saying is, there was an Islamic empire so let’s not write about any other empires?

  Your complaint makes no sense, except probably in your bigoted head.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  On a practical note, as with every Kriskodisko post, I have zero movement on this download.

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  

  Not sure we can even say that the Brutish empire was of its time, given that it deployed concentration camps before And after the national socialists - within living memory. It wasn’t about “bringing culture,” it was abt cruelly expunging cultures.
  Of course other empires were unimaginably barbaric - incl genocide, slavery, and putting people to the sword - & there are histories about those also.

  Odd to observe, I’ve made these points before, & some on this page - making similar points - have hysterically attacked me for it. People are strange…

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Possibly down to your eagerness to stand the English up with the Nazis at every opportunity?

  And yes, people are strange. Ones that post multiple paragraphs of directionless blarney several times a day, especially so.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Interesting that you class those who challenge your very individual point of view as being “hysterical”

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  British & English are not direct synonyms. The former is an overarching construct, & participatory. But seemingly, “there’ll always be an ing-er-land,” all the same.
  So, the concentration camps of your empire are “Fake Nooze?” No direct comparison there?

  Nice bit of racism thrown in, by the way. Duly noted. Proving yourself just as hysterically reactionary as the other eejits, in your multiple posts of directionless commentary (six - & countin’ - on on the one page. Strange…). The mask doth slippeth, yer majesty. You can’t have your royal cake & eat it as well, my sovereign liege.

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  AudireVidere
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @tenbenson: Indeed, his hatred of anything British tarnishes any valid opinion he might have.

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  Hatred of the brutish empire, its genocide, slavery & “managed” famines, Audire - appreciate the difference? Of course not. People who rightly condemn these things must be “invalid” - ethically tone deaf much?
  Don’t apprise my many beloved British relatives of my theoretical hatred for ‘em, that’d be unfairly inaccurate, me ol’ froot.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Irrelevant point? check.
  Question begging? check.
  Straw man argument? check.
  Confusing a word like “blarney” with “racism”? check.
  Weird, faux-literary blather, posing as dandyish intellectualism? check.

  Just another caesar963 post then. Nothing new here.

  We all see you.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Also, weird that you throw all this at me, considering what page we’re currently on and my support for this important work.

  Clearly, only you hold the truth the light and the way.

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  Transparent stuff, my liege, you’ve left the projector on again, & straw all over the bloomin’ shop. Well, that’s just dandyish.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  What in god’s name are you talking about, you deeply odd little man.

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  “Also, weird that you throw all this at me, considering page we’re currently on & my support for this important work.” - My point precisely: therein lies the hypocritical, contradictory rub referred to. Quod erat demonstrandum & then some. “We” all see it. You superficially support the critique, then go into hysterical reactionary attack mode.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  “Superficially”. Um, nope.

  Please to point out my “hysterical reactionary attack mode”, as I am having difficulty locating it.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  You have one point of view. One. You view the entire world though it - that the Irish, under the English, are the most persecuted people to ever have lived. It somehow really confuses you that most people don’t agree. And you fashion all of your arguments from this basic principle.

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  …no doubt.
  My consistent point: the established, manifest evil of your Brutish Empire. The book’s historiographical thesis: identical.
  Yours…? Deeply, blunderingly confused & profoundly conflicted (see above & elsewhere: “I’m against my Brutish Empire!” essentially immediately accompanied by: “Stop criticising my beloved Brutish empire, or I will repeatedly attack!” Oy…).

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  It’s why you frequently soft-pedal Nazis - my enemy’s enemy, and all that.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Poor Caesar. There is no argument that I can make that can undermine you as much as your own. There you are, always treading on every rake, mistaking your verbose banality for intellect, your one-stop-shop talking points for authority.

  Keep blathering away Caesar. I’ll let you get on, I know you’re busy.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @@caesar963

  And it’s not MY British Empire, you f*cking scumbag. How dare you. Ignorant cretin.

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  “the Irish, under the English” - clearly, you’re expediently forgetting what your Brutish Empire committed in India, Kenya, & myriad other countries; the Indian famines, the Atlantic slave trade, Opium Wars, etc. etc.
  Even the two examples I used were the concentration camps administered in Africa - not in Europe. Your “white man’s burden” again.
  So, merely more of your racism in evidence. Superb example of hole digging for yerself. (”Your opinion is invalid because your “blarney” is Irish” - classic, Nigel.)

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  “And it’s not MY British Empire, you f*cking scumbag.” Eloquently supplied. Yet you rush to hysterically attack those who correctly condemn it. Should have know this book would attract your nat socialist sort. “Ignorant cretin.” - your unmistakable signature!

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  ““the Irish, under the English” - clearly, you’re expediently forgetting what your Brutish Empire committed in India, Kenya, & myriad other countries; the Indian famines, the Atlantic slave trade, Opium Wars, etc. etc.
  Even the two examples I used were the concentration camps administered in Africa - not in Europe. Your “white man’s burden” again.
  So, merely more of your racism in evidence. Superb example of hole digging for yerself. (”Your opinion is invalid because your “blarney” is Irish” - classic, Nigel.)”

  To take what I said and glean that from it convinces me of one thing only - that you have been kicked in the face by a horse.

  Don’t bother trying to argue with me again, imbecile, you’re not up to it.

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  “your nat socialist sort.”

  You’re not even a good troll.

  What good are you?

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  tenbenson
  May 31st, 2022
  

  Actually, I’m going to end it here.

  I know you have literally nothing better to do, but I have and I’m wasting my time here with you.

  I think anyone reading this exchange will see clearly enough.

  Have a productive day!

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  For those who consider education excessively expensive, merely observe the alternative cost in ten’s terrifying tirades.
  How dare a “colonial” criticise his beloved empire! Raise the peasant militia!

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  taz7771
  May 31st, 2022
  

  anyone seeding?

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  After his 17(!) mind-numbingly, subliterate stupid posts, people are to believe he’s got an overwhelmingly busy day. Yeah, composing nat socialist fan fiction, & onanistically eulogising the “white man’s burden” glory daze of his empire…

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  LeechyLad
  May 31st, 2022
  

  

  Not bad but a little blinkered.
  I’ve got no delusions about the British Empire, the good, the bad and the exceedingly ugly. The book Basically does what many others have done if not quite as well.

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  superclive
  May 31st, 2022
  

  

  Another point I’d like to add to the debate Folks…
  I went to secondary school in England (Kent) between 1982 and 1987 and when I asked our history teacher about why we didn’t learn anything about the British empire in this time he said,”oh we’ve got far too much to learn about with the 1st & 2nd world wars etc and just don’t have the time!”.
  Now how the he’ll can we be fully informed when the subject is ignored in schools…or was back then.
  That’s why books like this are invaluable.
  Rant over!!

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  LeechyLad
  May 31st, 2022
  

  @Superclive - You make a really good point about the schooling system. I finished school in England about 9 years ago and I would have loved to learn more about the Empire.
  In history we learned about WWI/Easter Uprising/Boers Wars/WWII and Kenya/Mau Mau uprising.

  I felt like we could have done without WWI and most of WWII, it would have released far more space to learn about the Empire. There is far too much emphasis placed on the 2 World Wars. When I brought this up to my teacher he said there is literally not enough time to cover everything or if we did it wouldn’t be in any depth.

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  True enough, Clive. The unforgiveable lack of education (grotesquely evidenced by tenbenson - observed both here & elsewhere) & the paucity of the curriculum have been noted by many others. Afua Hirsch, for example, who went to an otherwise excellent school, noted that “history” skipped from the Tudors to the Industrial Revolution, the Victorian era, & the World Wars, without observing the myriad imperial abuses on the way.

  This entirely avoidable ignorance does have real consequences, such as the self-refuting confusion & hysterical abusiveness demonstrated in his above rants.

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  superclive
  May 31st, 2022
  

  

  It would’ve been nice to have covered the empire even if only for an outline of it.
  Most of us over the years have gleaned our information about the Empire from films like Gordon of Khartoum,which also has some inaccuracies..like when Gordon visits the Mhadi…this never happened,poetic license by the film makers.Good film though!!.
  1st and 2nd world wars should always be taught as most of us have had family that fought and died fighting against fascism.

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  caesar963
  May 31st, 2022
  

  The 20th century wars are of enormous importance as crucial recent history. But another of the consequences of not knowing imperial history is when British people travel abroad (not a problem for ten, of course, with him not believing there is an “abroad” - & that England (alone) exists on the flattest & narrowest of planes - in his narrowest of heads) others will often tend to know more of their history than they do. This is a clear disservice to school-leavers. My own British relatives are motivated to discover more, but there is an element of “generational fade” operating as well.

  As for the mangling movies - it’s just to tell a good story. William Wallace & Isabella of France didn’t have a fine romance. She was nine, and still living in France, when he was brutally executed. Also, no woad or kilts.

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  Thamus
  May 31st, 2022
  

  

  Thanks

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  Thamus
  May 31st, 2022
  

  Less whining, more seeding!

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  Gweilo
  June 1st, 2022
  

  Every empire was created through violence. If the assertion is that the British were exceptionally so, that is rather debatable. In the last century, ask former members of the USSR, ask Asians about the Greater East Asian Coprosperity Sphere, ask Tibetans and Uighurs and Hongkongers about the PRC, Europeans about the 3rd Reich.

  It says something that however it was created, virtually every former British colony became an independent nation and chose to remain in the Commonwealth. Like the Romans, their legacy goes beyond violence.

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  mybutthole
  June 1st, 2022
  

  What empire doesn’t have a legacy of violence? For that matter many former colonies are still nasty places (cough Rwanda cough).

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  caesar963
  June 1st, 2022
  

  The British element of extreme (”scientific”) racism & “inferior races” which extensively characterised their empire was viewed as an important precedent by the Germans, who felt that they themselves had largely missed the imperial boat. The precedent of British imperial concentration camps was also present. (In addition to population clearances, ethnic cleansing, theft & dispossession, associated injustices, slavery & genocide.)

  Naturally, this horrific racism of the British imperial enterprise financed their profitable Atlantic slave trade.

  It’s striking also how British imperial priorities always took precedence over native populations being actually able to eat their own food. Consequently, we have the long, grim history of British “managed” famines, in India & elsewhere.
  Of course, as mentioned, there are vast records on the appalling crimes of Marxists, fascists, socialists, Islamic empires, etc. etc.
  However, this book concerns the British Empire’s very long & durable Legacy of Violence. One evil empire at a time.

  Other (Nigel Farrago-type) books can always concentrate on “What did the generous Brutish empire do for us?” for those who wish to peruse & praise them. For everyone else, the factual historical record - fully unvarnished - is vital, and certainly ought to be taught to British schoolchildren. Otherwise, bizarre falsehoods may gain popular currency, such as, I dunno, comparing voluntary EU membership to chattel slavery? Something like that would be awful, and might lead to disastrous national decisions. That would be a legacy issue, I suppose.

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  tenbenson
  June 1st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Wow, I can see I’ve been living rent free in your head all day!

  I’ll let the rest of your desperate little emissions go, except for this one:

  “not a problem for ten, of course, with him not believing there is an “abroad””

  At last count, I’ve lived in Russia, Vietnam, China, Poland, Hungary, the USA, Malta, Sri Lanka, Scotland and England.

  You, on the other hand, have never stepped out of your own arse.

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  tenbenson
  June 1st, 2022
  

  Oh, and Thailand. There’s another.

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  caesar963
  June 1st, 2022
  

  I might believe England - & Thailand, p’haps - the rest, based on the law of internet probabilities, is likely just gas. A well-travelled person tends to be considerably less racist than you clearly are, Nigel.

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  tenbenson
  June 1st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  That’s your choice, and your right. You have no reason to believe me, just like I have no reason to lie.

  I’m going to be the big man here. I’d like to request that you go through our little conversation on this page again and point out exactly where you decided I was a racist and pro-Empire. Because you’ve literally got the wrong end of the stick.

  You even agreed with me that you view most things through the lens of Irish republicanism (something, you may be surprised to learn, that I fully support). You seemed to lose your mind when I used the word “blarney” - from this you decided that I was a racist, from the dishonest position that Irish is a race.

  In other words, pal, there is no evidence on here or my either being a racist, or pro-Empire. The opposite, in fact. Yet your accusations get increasingly hysterical and trollish.

  I actually agree with some of your points at times on this site. I do think you are generally anti-racist, and I don’t think you are stupid. I am mostly just puzzled at why you are so seethingly angry with me, to the extent that you felt the need to continue bad-mouthing me for hours after I’d left.

  I don’t claim to understand your motivations aside from promoting the view that the Irish were persecuted under the British Empire. This is manifestly true. But I find your “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” attitude towards many other brutal regimes to be queasy at best.

  Anyway, I have no desire to keep arguing with you. You are of course free to call me a liar and carry on insulting me at your leisure. But you’ll be p1ssing into the wind.

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  tenbenson
  June 1st, 2022
  

  Aside from this, is there any word about this poster’s uploads?

  I’m unable to download this book, or indeed any other they have posted.

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  caesar963
  June 1st, 2022
  

  “I’m going to be the big man here” - Interesting (hypothetical) pivot, given that your demonstrable record is to let loose a torrent of hysterically abusive oaths in a clearly demented effort to prove you’re not hysterical. That is gold-standard, sterling self-refutation.

  “request that you go through our little conversation on this page again and point out exactly where you decided I was a racist and pro-Empire.” - Of course. Revealed in your immediate weaponising of the dimension of Irishness (also repeated elsewhere). I did not mention or introduce Ireland (although the book does cover the period of some of the very worst British imperial abuses in Ireland). The brutal examples which I actually cited were both specifically drawn from Africa. However, you saw who I was, and attacked accordingly. This is bigoted racism.

  That was your direct recourse. (When the subject was the evil abuses of the Brutish empire. Then you pointedly tried to avoid all reasoned criticisms relating to this.) Your instant reflex was driven by “race” - undeniably so. Your automatic, unthinking move is that a person seemingly cannot have a valid opinion on this subject if one happens to be Irish. It’s as stark as that. You demonstrated it in your abusive attacks. Then the toxic phenomenon of your exampled, hysterical, mindless abuse when I reasonably critiqued British imperial abuses.

  It’s striking & curious that the overtly racist mindset of “But you’re Irish!” still has such enormous currency for such characters, when it has become so devalued in civilised, educated circles. And these are only the disgusting prejudices that you’re willing to go semi-public on; horrifying to imagine the rest of the shyteberg underneath. It’s one to keep an eye on. We encounter this racism in many such forms.

  “You even agreed with me that you view most things through the lens of Irish republicanism” - Where? I view everything through a shared humanity, & believe that ethnic nationalism is merely another ideological construct.

  “Irish republicanism (something, you may be surprised to learn, that I fully support)” - I believe in a representative republican form of government - that’s as far as it goes.

  “You seemed to lose your mind when I used the word “blarney”” - Of course, victim populations in postcolonial contexts always “lose their minds” when racial coding is sleazily deployed, isn’t that right? Well, it’s correct, but it certainly is not right.

  “the dishonest position that Irish is a race” - Again, this is designed to expediently deny & evade the horrific historical legacy of British imperial racism. Like a 19th century Punch cartoon depicting Irish human beings as entirely Other - as pigs, incidentally you’ll no doubt delight in hearing. Easier to kill a conceptualised pig, of course. Or slaughter. A pig possesses no substantive rights, as the British racist tradition fully appreciates.

  “I find your “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” attitude towards many other brutal regimes to be queasy at best.” - More hateful dishonesty. Please give me just one example of a brutal regime that I have ever supported and not condemned. I’ve also condemned the Russian regime on this site for its indiscriminate poisonings in Britain & hostile flyovers of British territory.

  “you are generally anti-racist” - And this is you being honest? Where is my non-general racism?

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  tenbenson
  June 1st, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Don’t bother responding to me again.

  You go ahead and live a happy life. Although somehow I doubt you will.

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  tenbenson
  June 1st, 2022
  

  Honestly, this is what I get for momentarily taking you seriously.

  Suffice to say that you’re a joke to everybody here, not just me.

  Enjoy your weird fantasy life from the confines of your stinking basement.

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  caesar963
  June 1st, 2022
  

  Happy as a clam, tbh. Although your new “maturity” didn’t last very long. Striking that you couldn’t respond to a single point, even though you requested the explanation. Truth evidently stings.

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  tenbenson
  June 1st, 2022
  

  No, I just have no more energy to argue with you.

  You’re a desperately lonely fantasist. This site represents the sole social interaction of your life, your day will get no better than this argument right now, and I’m disinclined to do you any favours.

  Go forth and multiply, you utterly ineffectual little man.

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  caesar963
  June 1st, 2022
  

  …aaaand you immediately return to your stinky basement mindset. Your big boy act lasted mere seconds. Couldn’t manage a single argument - another of your legacy issues, I reckon.

  Well over a score of your demented posts in your overwhelmingly busy day. That’s where all the “interactive energy” goes. I proved your racist bigotry, and you’re sick about it - which is (weirdly) a narrow species of progress, I hope.

  “I actually agree with some of your points” - Here’s another: finally study the factual historical record of your Brutish imperialism & toxic racism. That’s how you might begin to address these issues.

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  apnea
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  AudireVidere et al dummies. There is no person alive you can compare to Stalin, Hitler or Mao nor is there any existing regime you can compare to theirs so just STOP it with those bunk ignorant comparisons. Stoping it will stop making you look like a fool.

  BTW, if you had listened a few of the dearth of audio books (available here) about those leaders and their regimes you would stop making those comparisons.

  ” Godwin’s law, short for Godwin’s law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.[2][3]

  Promulgated by the American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990,[2] Godwin’s law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions.[4] He stated that he introduced Godwin’s law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics.[2] Later it was applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric[5][6] where reductio ad Hitlerum occurs.”

  Mike Godwin himself has also criticized the overapplication of Godwin’s law, claiming it does not articulate a fallacy; but rather is intended to reduce the frequency of inappropriate and hyperbolic comparisons. “Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics,” Godwin wrote, “its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.”

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law

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  caesar963
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  I don’t think Godwin’s legislation was ever formally enacted, ap.
  How ’bout this related draft statute: ‘When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.’
  If it makes its way unscathed thru the final reading stage, it may be applied with injunctive power. Fingers Xd.

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  Gweilo
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  @all: Torrent is well seeded. 20 seeds found immediately and downloads fine.

  @tenbenson: you should know by now how futile it is to argue with Caesar. He is more grammatical than the other RWNJ trolls, but verbosity, literary references and intellectual pretensions aside, he argues with the same bad faith.

  I suggest better to spend your time listening to a good book.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  caesar963
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  Bad faith? Such as falsely accusing me of supporting brutal regimes; ass-erting that there was specifically no racism towards Irish people under Brutish empire; that I’m only “generally” anti-racism; actually targeting Irishness in his attack; & being immediately triggered by my criticism of brutal imperialism? Dem’s the facts, ma’am. Any other line of attack is indeed bad faith.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  tenbenson
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  @Gweilo

  You’re right, of course.

  I have to say I’ve been enjoying logging on in the morning, winding him up for 5 minutes and then getting on with some work. He flails around all day with me in his head. Then I come back the next day, rinse, repeat.

  @caesar963

  Same time tomorrow, yeah?

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  tenbenson
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  @Gweilo

  Any suggestions here? It’s literally only Krisko’s uploads that don’t work for me, and none of them do.

  If the problem’s at my end, any idea what I can do about it? I do know that others have had the same problem in the past.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  caesar963
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  Of course! Even such demonstrably racist bigots as yerself may finally be redeemed. (Do listen to the book though.)

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  Gweilo
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  @tenbenson. I loaded the torrent file. Works as above.
  I tried the magnet link and that does not work.
  Is that what you used?
  The site is calculating it wrong.

  should be
  magnet:?xt=urn:btih:NPQGUZ6KUAHHKXWVGCOVEPVVSEDRHUNX

  I’ll check into this.

  But in general, torrent comments are not monitored. I just look at ones that catch my eye or have been reported.
  Join the forum and report problems there.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  doyler
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  caesar962
  quick historical question was one of the reasons britian used to get involved in the first world was “the defence of small nations”I think it was Belgium?

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  caesar963
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  Hey, doyler - defence of small nations, yes. There was also a guarantee of Belgian neutrality, originating in the Treaty of London, 1839. This was activated when Germany invaded, in their effort to avoid French defences & reach Paris. The Germans did commit atrocities against civilians in Belgium & North Eastern France, which led to an increase in voluntary enlistment in Britain & Ireland.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  caesar963
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  Just to say, the system of alliances was also key. The great powers in Europe had long pursued a diplomatic policy of the Balance of Power. This was where no one power could be allowed to grow too dominant (achieve hegemony) - and be strong enough to control the continent. It’s why everyone joined together to defeat Napoleon (the Hapsburgs were an earlier threat). With German unification, this created an enormous single power in the centre of Europe, which destabilised the balance of power for over 70 yrs, until Germany was divided.

  Over the last century, the international community has attempted to replace Balance of Power politics (because it failed) with Collective Security (League of Nations; UN). However, the new system also failed. The League didn’t prevent WWII (no Americans) and the UN has failed to prevent subsequent conflicts. The international scene tends to veer towards the Hobbesian.

  This is way off your interesting question!

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  tenbenson
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  @Gweilo

  It worked! Thanks.

  Also, lol at people asking Caesar for historical information.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  caesar963
  June 2nd, 2022
  

  Well, it could be worse, they could be asking an incomparably ignorant racist bigot like yourself! (No racism under the Brutish empire, says he.)
  It’d be Hysterically Hateful History 101 with you.
  The point, because you clearly missed it, was the irony of Britain going to war “in defence of small nations” - when they were terrorising the one on their doorstep. But of course, that’s all “Fake Nooze” isn’t it Nigel?

  Please listen to the book & finally learn.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  roma97
  June 3rd, 2022
  

  Seed?

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  tenbenson
  June 3rd, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Still blathering on I see. You’ve really got yourself in a tizzy over this.

  Interesting how the only “nazis” you condemn are ones you’ve invented. The actual fascists on this site always get a pass from you.

  Why is that, Caesar? I mean, I know why, but I’m curious as to your thoughts.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  tenbenson
  June 3rd, 2022
  

  @roma97

  I’ve just discovered this myself - it actually works fine, but you can’t use the Magnet link as it’s wrong or something.

  If you just download the torrent instead you’ll find there are loads of seeds.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  tenbenson
  June 3rd, 2022
  

  @caesar963

  Oh, and Irish still isn’t a race.

  That should be enough to grill you for today. I’ll come back and stick a fork in you later.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  caesar963
  June 3rd, 2022
  

  I can’t keep track of your multiple posts! Why are you still trying to equivocate on race, thereby justifying racism? Your Equality & HR Commission, and The Equality Act, 2010, define race as “colour, nationality, (incl citizenship), ethnic or national origins, which may not be the same as your current nationality.”
  There are myriad cases of such racial discrimination towards Irish people in Britain, which you expediently deny. As established, this is designed to deny & evade the horrific historical legacy of British imperial racism. Your focus on Irishness is disturbingly revealing here.
  P’haps your favoured racial categories stem from the 30s? How then would you taxonomise your own racially-coded language, in that case?
  Also, further definitions; racism: NOUN, prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a partic racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalised.

  In all seriousness, please don’t try to rationalise or disguise this racism. British “social reformer,” Charles Kingsley, writing of his experiences in Ireland: “I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw along that hundred miles of horrible country…to see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black one would not see it so much, but their skins, except where tanned by exposure, are as white as ours.”

  And yes, my record is one of merciless condemnation of all ideological extremists who, as here, seek to deny or justify such bigoted racism, hatred & genocide, incl those who deny the the Holocaust (& those who actually want a sequel), the Holodomor, genocide of Christian Armenians, ongoing ideological genocide of the Uyghur people, the Killing Fields, British imperial genocides (the source of your triggered anger above & elsewhere), etc. Incidentally, I include 17 m murders during the Holocaust, as fully considered.
  These genocidal ideologues are by no means “invented” - that’s a very disturbing assertion.

  You’ve avoided this several times, of course, but you asserted that I support brutal regimes, & I asked you to give me a single example. I would say that Jew-haters get a free pass from you, when I challenge them you are nowhere in sight - as I peruse these uploads.

  Also: repeatedly ass-erting that there was no racism towards Irish people under Brutish empire; that I’m only “generally” anti-racism; actually targeting Irishness in your attack when my examples were both specifically drawn from Africa; & being immediately triggered by my criticism of brutal imperialism. That’s quite a checklist. And leading in only one direction: racial bigotry.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  Gweilo
  June 5th, 2022
  

  @tenbenson & @roma97
  The magnet link on this, and others from the same source, are now correct and link to the same torrent as the .torrent file.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  tenbenson
  June 6th, 2022
  

  @Gweilo

  Many thanks!

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  jmgravity
  June 9th, 2022
  

  

  Thanks for the tips on how to get these ups to work. The magnets don’t work just go for the torrent. Happy as now I can listen to Hurricane Lizards. Awesome ups Kriskodisko!

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  Sleepydog66
  July 8th, 2022
  

  The British population are no where near ready to face some of the horrors colonialism brought upon the populations already living in those place they invaded.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  staplar
  March 31st, 2023
  

  If you read up on British Empire, specifically in their involvement in the region that is Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan, you’ll see that the current debacle in those regions are a direct consequence of the British and their divide and rule policy.
  Such horrors they have inflicted and ran, leaving all that mess unresolved, which they could btw.

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins
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  oblong88
  May 2nd, 2024
  

  up there is what happens what you spend entirely too long online, thinking you’re ever so smaht, but still being another pseud on some obscure internet site.

  some of you nerds need to be shot

  thanks anyway uploader

  Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire - Caroline Elkins

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