Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan

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  caesar963
  November 10th, 2019
  

  

  Might be a valuable opportunity for otherwise open-minded types who nonetheless are burdened with noxious ideological baggage to reappraise, reevaluate & finally learn to read a complex subject. Or not, of course.

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  YourMum
  November 10th, 2019
  

  The morality of organized religion is the ultimate fallacy.

  It’s so obviously, in every way a con. Like Mr T, I pity the fool.

  Don’t @ me if you’ve ever sold a son for more than five shekels of silver.

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  The Rose
  November 10th, 2019
  

  

  Thanks for this. Copan has been doing this for awhile. Have the book. Good one.

  And @yourmum, I’ve not sold my son but I was sold when my bio-mom gave birth and ran away and left me at the hospital never to be seen again. Am thankful for those who “bought” me and made me their own. Am also grateful for God, His son, and being redeemed again.

  Have your opinion….please. The United States still affords this. Would only suggest, before bashing another’s faith, talk to more than a few people who never had contact with the real thing.

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  RPM7
  November 11th, 2019
  

  

  Waiting for a long time. Thank you for this!

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  YourMum
  November 11th, 2019
  

  So Rose, you’re saying have an opinion providing it doesn’t contradict my views? How very unoriginal and type cast.

  I was highlighting the rank hypocrisy of the subject matter.

  I stand by your fundamental right to believe as you wish but this is often not reciprocated when ones fundamental right to express an opinion or indeed criticise said ideology is exercised.

  I was Christened, attended church as a child. Presumably among those who believed they were experiencing the “real thing” as you put it? Another fallacy given that Christians had 2k years to get their story straight among themselves and not only failed, but ended up bitterly divided.

  I have read the books and had many long discussions with colleagues and friends. All of which has left me very much in the atheist camp. I think it was when I realised that the established religions (on grounds of pure cruelty) have less claim to credibility than scientology or indeed the great prophet zarquon that finally pushed me over. I mean it’s early days but I can’t recall them having murdered anyone yet?

  Given that the universe is apparently infinite, I am open to the idea of highly intelligent pan-dimensional beings that would appear godlike to us however, the books you subscribe to are just that. Books. Written by man, controlled by man. sold by man.

  Our organized religions have proven themselves to be nothing short of evil. Any glance at history is enough to prove the point. Belief in such nonsense always comes with a heavy cost. No morality or higher ground will be found there.

  Your origin story, while indeed tragic is i’m afraid irrelevant on this occasion as I was facetiously quoting Leviticus 27:6. A passage explaining the profit expected from the selling of actual human children.

  You’ve benefited from the love of kind parents, community spirit and the sense of belonging that comes from this. All gifted to you by your brother man. It seems to be that if people loved, praised and honoured their neighbours rather than [insert deity here] we might be one step closer to stopping the next school massacre?

  Peace.

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  caesar963
  November 11th, 2019
  

  “if people loved, praised and honoured their neighbours” - appreciate the infinite irony - you’ve just invoked, embraced & rejected the Christian moral cosmology. That’s the craziness at the heart of this “debate” in the West. We use the objective moral values of Judeo-Christianity in order to evaluate the inevitable failings of human institutions, including churches. And all human institutions fail. We judge their moral failings by Christian standards of ethics. Unavoidable.

  The biggest human agent of murder in human history? The State, and its predecessor, the tribal system. The motives? Power, resources, territory. Will they use anything to weaponise & manipulate populations, including the abuse of religion (otherwise known as “taking the Lord’s name in vain”)? Yes, of course they will. History is indeed a fascinating subject, and reveals this in superabundance.

  Our religious practice is a global reflection of us - both the good and the bad.

  As far as selective, disingenuous, decontextualised, derivative quotation, without concomitant comprehension? No, can’t see any flaw in that hoary old stratagem.

  On the misinterpretation of Biblical Hebrew generally: translation is a creative art; on occasion, it can also be a destructive enterprise. There are no one-to-one correspondences, just as there are no exact, direct synonyms. Intent, purpose & nuance are so easily lost - especially when that is the purpose.

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  caesar963
  November 11th, 2019
  

  (Btw, Peace to you, RPM, The Rose & the rest of the cast of 1000s!)

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  MontyII
  November 12th, 2019
  

  God! the first monster no lesser or greater then the rest of us.
  Weren’t we all supposedly made/created in its image, right?
  Fallible and immutably changeable(freewill or something).
  We will always walk in the gray spaces with only the sadly defective veering into the black or white.

  ;) hugs @ rmoor for uploading a book sure to have a funny comment section to enjoy.

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  caesar963
  November 12th, 2019
  

  True enough, the yuks just keep on comin’!

  “We will always walk in the gray spaces with only the sadly defective veering into the black or white.” - That’s wisdom, Monty, pure & simple - nothing gray/grey about it.

  Fallibility & flawed capriciousness - insofar as they entail evil - represent an absence or a moral void. Accordingly, they are destructive, and the opposite of the creative impulse/function.

  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan
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  krst25
  April 10th, 2023
  

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  krst25
  April 10th, 2023
  

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  Is God a Moral Monster?: Making Sense of the Old Testament God - Paul Copan

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