Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan

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  alnilam
  July 17th, 2021
  

  

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uep7GA9hCKM

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  alnilam
  July 17th, 2021
  

  

  also recommended on the subject:

  How the Scots Invented the Modern World - Arthur Herman @64 m4b+cue https://audiobookbay.lu/audio-books/how-the-scots-invented-the-modern-world-arthur-herman

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  alnilam
  July 17th, 2021
  

  Correction: mp3+cue

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  apnea
  July 18th, 2021
  

  Except for the Americans. Not an original thought among them & the only thing they spread is death…and their debauched porn & violence & hustling culture.

  Their bloody record is there for all (who can stomach it) to read.

  ‘List of Atrocities committed by US authorities’

  Definition: An extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.

  “If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” - Nelson Mandela

  https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md

  Better make lots of popcorn because you’ll be reading all night (the few who posses the courage to read through it)

  The world rejects America & is tired of all your LOUD lying & BS. Go away losers. Slink away in the middle of the night like you just did [again] with Afghanistan.

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  notmebug191
  July 18th, 2021
  

  ‘Inventing Freedom’ sure seems to involve a whole bunch of slavery. Bit weird if you ask me.

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
• 
  alnilam
  July 18th, 2021
  

  > “If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” - Nelson Mandela

  Oh yes, sure, and communists “care for human beings” so much (hint: believe this, and you’ll believe anything).

  “Nelson Mandela was a Communist. Although most people think that is not important, it is the very essence of who he was. He never denounced Communism. He never apologized for embracing Communism. He never exposed the soul-destroying nature of Communism. In this Mandela was like Mugabe, the horrific Marxist leader of Zimbabwe, though he was not grossly evil like Mugabe.”

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  tenbenson
  July 18th, 2021
  

  @alnilam

  Nelson Mandela was nothing like Mugabe, you utter rube.

  Americans think a communist is the worst thing you can be. They’ve never had a real problem with fascism.

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  caesar963
  July 18th, 2021
  

  The Americans “never had a real problem with fascism?”

  Ah, FFS - didn’t the Americans help to fight fascism/Nat Socialism in what was actually the bloodiest war in human history?

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  cabronazo01
  July 18th, 2021
  

  false dichotomy pseudo capitalist and communist have the same origin same puppet masters and are/were equally enslaved, its always interesting and worth reading about ideas of freedom although the premise of the book is crypto racist propaganda

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  Bytbiter
  July 18th, 2021
  

  If Daniel Hannan told me what colour the sky was I’d look up to check - twice.

  Overpriveleged arrogant tosser who thinks him and his kind are born to rule.

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  howlafist
  July 18th, 2021
  

  Economic systems are irrelevant. The worst thing a human can be is king Leopold II.

  No country is great because human psychology precludes it. At scale it is impossible to suppress the ambitious psychopaths and widespread depersoning hysteria.

  The founders of the US saw everything they had hoped for largely subverted within their lifetimes.

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  caesar963
  July 18th, 2021
  

  “No country is great” - oh yeah? Forgot “Great” Britain? Refuted!

  Economics can be conducive towards human flourishing - or degradation.

  Not to defend the repellent Leo 2, but there’s no shortage of contenders for worst. For your consideration: the Emir Tamerlane, or “Timur the lame” - this beauty massacred an estimated 5% of the world’s population.

  The visionary system envisioned by the Founding pappies was a framework for the protection of individual rights (not incl slaves’ rights). It has proven surprisingly durable & evolutive, on the whole. When we look at history - what really lasts?

  I’m not sure that they expected it to endure especially long (their historical model of a republic was followed by imperium/tyranny). They didn’t think it would suit a federation larger than the then 13 states.

  This is gettin’ vexatious, milord.

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
• 
  howlafist
  July 18th, 2021
  

  Meant him as an archetype rather than individual, of the self-serving, empathy-lacking sort who always ends up on top. Of course the same has regularly appeared in all places and times with power structures tall enough to keep the little-people away.

  Those foundling founders had a fair amount of diversity in views. Most could be described as libertarian, but some had thoughts like “personal liberty necessitates the abolition of property ownership beyond personal-use scale (e.g. no renting/leasing or control-from-afar)”. Some others had thoughts like “the people can’t be trusted to rule themselves”. Their idealisms for one reason or another either failed or were never implemented, and in the end the overarching hope, of avoiding france-style inequality, has had some very close calls in the past and for the last half-century at least has been actively disregarded.

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  caesar963
  July 18th, 2021
  

  I can usually spot an archetype from 100 yards, but it’s exceptionally warm here today in the Fair City. We could refer to the Emir as an archetype; like Leo, he’s been called worse.

  Where I come from, “little people” has an uncanny, eldritch significance. Not trying to scare u, or anything.
  I see u pivoted from my killer “Great” Britain point. I can only assume that u were totally blindsided by it.

  On the property front, u might be interested in (or already know of) the Levellers & the Diggers from the English Civil War (the Putney Debates among the New Model Army). “The poorest he hath as much a right to live as the richest he.” Natural Law & natural rights, and so forth. Cromwell killed them & then came to Ireland to slaughter anyone he could find. My mum’s family home in Kerry had been owned by Cromwell’s physician.

  On the Founding Fathers & the marginal idea of “the people can’t be trusted to rule themselves” - we have to remember that popular democracy/sovereignty was at a very delicate phase of its existence. Many thought it would just lead to mob rule & violence. As witnessed in France just a few yrs later, when the experiment spectacularly failed (as Burke predicted).

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  howlafist
  July 19th, 2021
  

  With respect to empire, best have been able to determine here is that britania failed for the same reason it at first succeeded? Very hands-on market manipulation allowing trade networks to grow the way they couldn’t for others, giving merchants the guarantees needed to try sailing. But the later attempts at hands-on colonial governance lost north america and india. And as for modern britain, it’s a bit… eh…

  Have read of them before, mmm, though not for a while. Biased and mostly stick to BC history.

  And it’s not entirely without merit maybe, yes, that people can’t be trusted. Indirect election of senators and all that, when people aren’t educated on something (as it makes sense for them not to be, having busy, unrelated lives) then they can become a proxy for oligarchs.

  Ah, everything is a mess…

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  caesar963
  July 19th, 2021
  

  Virtual representation is the way to go. An informed electorate would be a nice idea, as Gandhi almost said.
  Republic vs direct democracy creative tension dynamic.

  You’ll love this: was the earlier brutish empire successful partly because of privatised entities - such as the East India co. & its rapacious rape? And it’s the true dead hand of the state that brings all things to an end (good riddance)?

  BC history? Another British Columbian? How ’bout dem bears, aay? I’m historically omnivorous, ambidextrous, and, er, trysexual?

  I dunno, Russia & China are going grand. And N Korea. And the Axis of Diesel…

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
• 
  turkeydog
  July 25th, 2021
  

  

  Thanks!

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
• 
  Postlethwaite
  February 21st, 2022
  

  C963- Have you thought of hosting your own blog rather than deluging this one?

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  Bytbiter
  June 3rd, 2022
  

  The British gubmint only took over India because the EIC overreached and made a veritable Peter’s of it. The shareholders were bailed out, of course.

  Looks like privatizing the profits and nationalising the losses isn’t a new idea.

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan
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  integspec
  April 18th, 2024
  

  

  “How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World” - how indeed, by looting the non-english speaking world with their colonial and imperialism projects?

  Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Made the Modern World - Daniel Hannan

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