How to Argue With a Racist: History, Science, Race and Reality - Adam Rutherford
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The great deceit of evolution is that it has bestowed characteristics upon us that are visible but not meaningful. We are obsessed with categorisation, plagued by an innate and tyrannous desire to group things together, and this includes one another. One of the easiest ways is by skin colour, but as Adam Rutherford shows this is a terrible way to categorise people.
The way we talk about race is not reflected in our modern understanding of the genetic basis of human variation. ‘Black’ is an identifier that says very little about the similarities of billions of people apart from a very imprecise reference to pigmentation. Variation in skin tone predated humans’ emergence in Africa and is moderated by a handful of genes out of 20,000. And - crucially - there is more genetic diversity within Africa than in the rest of the world put together. These are scientifically uncontroversial things to say. Yet scientific racism is back, and increasingly part of the public discourse on politics, migration, education, sport and intelligence.
How to Argue with a Racist is a short, crisp manifesto for a 21st-century understanding of human evolution and variation, and a timely weapon against the use of science to justify bigotry.
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This post has 39 comments with rating of 4.3/5
April 4th, 2020
I am looking forward to using this information to debate against Al Sharpton and Black Lives Matter! Thank you!
April 5th, 2020
Is this the Radio 4 broadcast or some other version?
April 5th, 2020
This book is a farrago of fulminating filth! (Oh sorry, I thought it said “How to Argue Like a Racist” - I allowed myself to be inappropriately, prematurely triggered again)
April 5th, 2020
It has been quite well established that traits such as IQ vary significantly between the different ethnic groups. “Racism” doesn’t enter in to it. A more useful book would be “How to argue with a triggered SJW”.
April 5th, 2020
Step 1: Imagine everyone’s a racist
Step 2: Argue
Thanks Millennials your wisdom is always amazing. How would we do without you? Easily, I expect.
P.S. Also not a boomer. So, don’t be boring.
April 5th, 2020
thanks for the upload.
April 5th, 2020
The book title makes no sense. Leftist SJWs don’t argue (rationally), their tactic is to publicly shame and demonize anyone who does not parrot their irrational ideology.
April 5th, 2020
lotta people in the comments here having no shame admitting they’re racist
April 5th, 2020
Well, I will say thanks for this.
flarecat777: Don’t you think that black lives matter as much as anyone else’s?
caesar963: You do sound as ‘triggered’ as any of the other comments here, regardless of which side you see yourself as being on.
litote: Care to name the peer-reviewed paper that confirms that “…traits such as IQ vary significantly between the different ethnic groups,” so we can all read it and be enlightened? I think you’ll struggle to find one.
GordonCoon: You have clearly neither read or listened to the book, and have simply been ‘triggered’ by the title.
litote: This book clearly bothers you in some way. Leftist SJW’s as you call them argue more rationally than people in general, based upon respect for other people’s lives and struggles, rather than some (usually) religious idealogy (could you get more ‘irrational’?). Your claiming that the other side publically shame etc, is clearly a case of projection given you use the pejorative term ‘SJW’. Here’s the definition of the word ‘pejorative’ from the online Merriam-Webster dictionary:
“Definition of pejorative
(Entry 1 of 2)
: a word or phrase that has negative connotations (see connotation sense 1) or that is intended to disparage or belittle : a pejorative word or phrase.
Sound familiar..?
April 5th, 2020
Hate everyone equally…
April 5th, 2020
Only some lives matter
April 5th, 2020
@B0wtiesAreC00l: There are numerous studies by reputable academics from reputable institutions that have undertaken impartial studies of IQs from around the globe. These studies corroborate one another in finding significant differences in IQs between racial groups. The only struggle in finding this research on Google is that you have to sift through all the leftist SJW articles trying to dismiss the research with unconvincing, agenda-driven affirmations. Instead of lazily expecting me to do your research, why don’t you instead supply an article from a reputable source that demolishes these studies. I am certain you will find that a struggle.
Logical, factual argument is not “based upon respect for other people’s lives and struggles”. It is based on truth, not social concerns.
SJWs have attached to them more than just negative connotations, they have been the source of significant harm. Their attempt to suppress the truth such as trying to silence politically incorrect research on IQs is just one example.
April 5th, 2020
Huge thanks to daenigma100 for always sharing interesting and provocative books that feed out minds.
B0wtiesAreC00l, I guess we need to listen to this book to figure out how to have a productive discussion with litote. I agree that there is a regressive left that harms free speech on occasion, but stating that they suppress the “truth” causing significant harm is a stretch that deserves as much evidence as the claim that evolution led to current differences in IQs between race. Kevin Mtichell, a neuroscientist at Trinity summarized it best:
To end up with systematic genetic differences in intelligence between large, ancient populations, the selective forces driving those differences would need to have been enormous. What’s more, those forces would have to have acted across entire continents, with wildly different environments, and have been persistent over tens of thousands of years of tremendous cultural change. Such a scenario is not just speculative – I would argue it is inherently and deeply implausible.
The bottom line is this. While genetic variation may help to explain why one person is more intelligent than another, there are unlikely to be stable and systematic genetic differences that make one population more intelligent than the next.
So if we are concerned about people’s intelligence, we would do better to focus on the environmental and cultural factors that we know are involved and which can be changed. There is no shortage of them: maternal and infant healthcare, early life nutrition, exposure to neurodevelopmental toxins such as lead, and access to and quality of education all make a real difference. IQ scores are a measure of a person’s intellectual ability, not the limit of their intellectual potential. Focusing on things we can change should ensure that everyone can reach their potential.
April 5th, 2020
@banfijanos: You are obviously completely ignorant of what has been going on at campuses for years. Conservative speakers who are not in lock-step with the prevailing leftist ideology have been harassed and frequently banned from campuses. Look up the Lindsay Shepherd case for example. Free speech (and truth) has been suppressed.
You have merely reproduced an opinion, rather than a convincing argument from someone who is not even a geneticist. The fact is there are significant differences between IQs according to reputable research. He does not debunk this.
Clearly it is possible for there to be “stable and systematic genetic differences” — skin pigmentation and facial features are about as obvious as you can get. This is genetically determined and is an obvious difference between groups. There are no arguments that IQ has a genetic component except from SJWs when research indicates it applies across racial groups.
All the blather about “intellectual potential” has no relevance to the findings of the research.
April 5th, 2020
I would suggest that many of the commenters here instead find a book on how to argue rationally (even coherently), rather than on how to be morally outraged at people who don’t share their uninformed opinions.
April 5th, 2020
On the topic of IQ, according to one psychology professor at the University of Amsterdam, average IQ has fallen among Westerners by as many as 14 points since the beginning of the 20th century. The commenters here (assuming they are Westerners) seem to add weight to this hypothesis.
April 5th, 2020
The damnable thing is that the MSM is the group that stands to lose the most if we aren’t fighting each other. Violence and hatred sells almost as well as sex and it’s first amendment stuff so you can’t stop them from driving the hate with their one sided reporting and slander. Want to know who is to blame? NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN. Divorce yourself from those particular channels and talk to your neighbor rather than becoming hypnotized by the smear merchants of hate.
April 5th, 2020
One other thing. The author is supposedly an Phd in genetics… Why is he spending all his time shilling to the left rather than finding cures for diseases or birth defect? The answer will astound you so go look it up. PHD = Piled High & Deep.
April 5th, 2020
@litote - sadly, there is no point in debating with the fully indoctrinated. They want it to be racism rather than a real difference.
Even though the real differences have been proven time and time again.
Because if there is a difference, they might need to re-evaluate their “we’re all the same” stupidity.
It is vital that we don’t acknowledge the idea that people are capable of different things. That would be shocking, even if a 5-year-old can clearly see it for the truth.
Also, it’s funny that while they’re outraged that white people might be brighter than black people and dumber than Asian people. They have no issues with the huge over-representation of black folks at the highest sporting levels, for example.
April 6th, 2020
And remember kiddies, the KKK was created and continued by Democrats. So this book is basically how to argue with a leftist…
April 6th, 2020
@GordonCoon: I agree it is pointless trying to change the groupthink of these cultural marxists, but it is important to call out this B.S.
Leftists are complete hypocrites. How often do they campaign against the new apartheid in South Africa, for example, where the white minority is discriminated against (blacks receive preference in applying for the public service jobs) and persecuted (farmers terrorised by home invasions and left unprotected). Zimbabwe has been even worse in the way it has treated its minority white citizens (land confiscations etc).
April 6th, 2020
You don’t need a book to tell you how to argue with a racist. The question is, why would you waste your time even trying? As evidenced by the posts above, they live in their own alternative fact universe and dismiss anything else as SJW/Jewish conspiracy/MSM, Socialist, etc, etc.
With any luck they’ll follow Trump’s advice and all go to church at Easter.
April 6th, 2020
Watch out, you guys are all going to hate yourselves into a coma.
April 7th, 2020
@Gweilo: You are so delusional you can’t even recognize your chosen name “Gweilo” is a racist Cantonese slur used to denigrate pale skinned Westerners, you mental defective.
April 7th, 2020
@ you know who you are: Frenology is cool, too.
“Phrenology is a pseudoscience which involves the measurement of bumps on the skull to predict mental traits.”
And there’s of course Terry Pratchett’s Discworld version:
“Retrophrenology
A peculiar and painful fad in literal-minded Ankh-Morpork.
The reasoning runs: phrenology insists there is an inter-relationship between the outer shape of a person’s skull, and those areas of the brain lying directly underneath. Thus, if there is a noticeable bump in the front of the skull, this is directly over the area of the brain thought responsible for intellect and should be evidence for an abnormal amount of brain development and activity directly underneath - ie, the intellectual personality.
Ankh-Morpork takes this a step further. What if a series of carefully measured blows on the head with carefully graded hammers could adjust the shape of the skull, thus modifying personality accordingly? Unfortunately, the leading practitioner is Zorgo the Retro Phrenologist, a troll, to whom sublety is one of dem word fings in dat dict-ee-o-nary fing.
You can go into a shop in Ankh-Morpork and order an artistic temperament with a tendency to introspection. What you actually get is hit on the head with a large hammer, but it keeps the money in circulation and gives people something to do.”
Can’t beat science!
April 7th, 2020
I judge books by how many comments they get. This is clearly the best book on this site.
April 8th, 2020
@litote: I know exactly what “gweilo” means, I lived in Hong Kong for half my life. it might have been offensive 200 years ago, but these days it’s just informal use for “white man”. There’s a brewery there that makes “Gweilo” beer.
When I call you a pok gai and tell you to diu lei lo mo, you can take offence.
April 10th, 2020
@Gweilo: On scanning your comment I first thought you’d said you’d lived in Hong Kong for over 200 years(!)
April 11th, 2020
“@litote - sadly, there is no point in debating with the fully indoctrinated. They want it to be racism rather than a real difference.
Even though the real differences have been proven time and time again.
Because if there is a difference, they might need to re-evaluate their “we’re all the same” stupidity.
It is vital that we don’t acknowledge the idea that people are capable of different things. That would be shocking, even if a 5-year-old can clearly see it for the truth.
Also, it’s funny that while they’re outraged that white people might be brighter than black people and dumber than Asian people. They have no issues with the huge over-representation of black folks at the highest sporting levels, for example.”
this is what racist indoctrination sounds like.
April 15th, 2020
Calling someone a racist just because you hate them for other reasons (not being a liberal for example) is the very definition of a NAZI.
Today’s Nazis create hate with racism and divide us by skin color and infinite #’s of genders.
The left is pure evil.
It takes a real “C-word” to call someone a racist.
April 16th, 2020
There is some intense idiocy in this thread. Get off /pol/, go see a psychiatrist about the deep-seeded aggression and paranoia, then try to become scientifically literate and present papers to justify your beliefs.
Book = Good
But we should throw all the racists into the re-education camps just to be sure.
April 27th, 2020
If you accuse millions of people in America of being racists then YOU are a NAZI.
May 1st, 2020
In America, both Korean and Japanese students score above average in IQ tests, helping to fuel the idea that East Asians are an especially intelligent race. In Japan, though, Koreans, who face considerable discrimination, have a much lower IQ score. In Northern Ireland, Catholics fare worse than Protestants. In South Africa, blacks do badly in IQ tests. But so do Dutch-descended Afrikaaners when compared to the English speaking white elite. There certainly are group differences in IQ scores, and some of those group differences can be seen as ‘racial’, but the belief that group differences in intelligence are linked to a putative genetics of race smacks more of alchemy than of science
June 1st, 2020
Always interesting to see what uploads get the fash worked up into a lather.
B0wtiesAreC00l asked specific questions & raised specific points, yet the usual suspects couldn’t respond to a single one, instead singing the same old songs.
The bad news is that ABbay is infested with far-right propagandists, the good news is that they’re so childishly inept.
October 25th, 2020
“There are numerous studies by reputable academics from reputable institutions that have undertaken impartial studies of IQs from around the globe.”
In a comment with no citations by a user with no sense. lol
November 7th, 2020
Translation: “There are numerous studies that have looked at IQs from around the globe. I actually haven’t read any and I am not going to cite any because they don’t exist and I don’t read anything scientific, but Daddy Richard Spencer told me it was true once and I’m a fragile incel so I am going to attempt to appear “rational” while clearly coming from a place of ignorance. But, maybe if I say “rational” in every comment I make, people will believe it’s true.”
The butthurt baby fash in the comments need to ask themselves something: Why did you assume they were talking about you with the word “racist” in the title? Y’all burn yourselves so often it’s funny.
January 7th, 2021
If you feel this triggered by simply seeing the title “how to argue with a racist,” you
*surely* are one.
This is quite similar to frothing about “antifa,” thereby being anti-anti-fascist, makes you either pro-fascist, or just plain fascist. This is a simple fact of logic, and…how does the saying go? Oh yes: Facts don’t care about your feelings.
February 20th, 2021
There is nothing quite so sweetly ironic in its humour as a load of gammon ranting about how triggered “SJWs” are by:
*Getting triggered about people who think black lives actually matter.
*Getting triggered about the left (which incidentally doesn’t exist in America save for in very small pockets - same goes for most of Europe including England - and no the Dems are not left lmfao!)
*Getting triggered that nobody believes their pseudoscience bollocks that IQ (a widely discredited way of measuring intelligence anyway) varies by colour. By the way, you’re not seriously claiming your average white American is particularly bright, are you lol?
*Getting triggered about antifa (whilst incidentally being too daft to be able to pronounce it properly - it’s anti-fa not an-tifa lol).
*Getting triggered about people using the term boomers.
There is literally nobody more snowflakey than a fash and that fact never ceases being the source of wonderfully exquisite humour and laughter.
The only thing funnier is the fact that most of these gammon clowns don’t have a pot to piss in between them and yet desperately cling to right wing politics in the hope that something that has never trickled down to better their lot, suddenly will. Hicks and hillbillies… as daft as a brush lol.
March 18th, 2024
I haven’t read the book, but based on the white fragility full display in these comments. It seems to hit the nail right on the head.
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