God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction - Dan Barker
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What words come to mind when we think of God? Merciful? Just? Compassionate? In fact the Bible lays out God’s primary qualities clearly: He’s jealous, petty, unforgiving, bloodthirsty, vindictive - and worse!
Originally conceived as a joint presentation between influential thinker and best-selling author Richard Dawkins and former evangelical preacher Dan Barker, this unique book provides an investigation into what may be the most unpleasant character in all fiction.
Barker combs through both the Old and New Testaments (as well as 13 different editions of the “Good Book”), presenting powerful evidence for why Scripture shouldn’t govern our everyday lives. This witty, well-researched book suggests that we should move past the Bible and clear a path to a kinder and more thoughtful world.
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This post has 23 comments with rating of 5/5
July 3rd, 2020
Nobody reads this book anymore. Every person invents their personal god. Bible is needed only when you require confirmation for what you personally believe and cannot find any real grounds for said convictions.
All the same, this should be entertaining. Thanks.
July 3rd, 2020
…so, not to generalise or anything, but everybody thinks that everything is absolutely relative? Yeah, a few minutely vast holes in the logic, but otherwise, “philosophy” as per on the old internet machine. As you were, gentlemen.
Anyway, isn’t eugenics-enthusiast, Richard Dawkins, “the most unpleasant character in all fiction?” Entertaining, without a dubio.
July 3rd, 2020
Excellent. Thanks for the upload.
July 3rd, 2020
… by people who can’t explain the origin of life? Yeah, I’ll trust _them_ to tell me about the Bible LOL
July 3rd, 2020
Atheism, Autism… Potato, Potaitow…
July 3rd, 2020
Dawkins in not a eugenics enthusiast. He simply said eugenics would “work”. For example, if you were interested in having future humans be as tall as possible, you could do so by having tall people mate. He made no normative claim about whether this was a good idea or not.
July 3rd, 2020
@chrisxiii, what an example of sophisticated thinking! Because you can’t explain something that happened over a billion years ago I’m not going to discount everything you say. I suppose you think it has been explained… it’s certainly easier to explain things when you are unburdened of requiring evidence.
July 3rd, 2020
Don’t be silly, @chrisxiii. We all know wizard did it.
Anyhow, can everyone here download the file? I’m getting an unspecified error after literally 1kB gets downloaded. I need to restart my client and then ban, another error and it stops.
Any solutions other than prayer?
July 3rd, 2020
Never mind. Managed to get it to work.
July 4th, 2020
chrisxiii You praise and worship a mass-murderer and you are dissing the author of this book :D
Man…sounds like a great book. Pretty much how I look at the Christian (I am better that though) faith.
July 4th, 2020
Man could not just have evolved from the primordial soup. He is too complex. He must have been created.
Who created God?
Oh, he has always been here Hilarious! :D
July 4th, 2020
Enthusiasm for eugen-cs is the least of it. Responding to a woman asking about what she’d do if she were carrying a baby with DS, Dawkins immediately advised her: “Abo-t it and try again.” He told her this directly on social media; here a vital ethical responsibility comes into play. His advice & related opinions were not neutral or disinterested.
Don’t underestimate the influence such a character has on his followers. Also, consider (as he didn’t?) people with DS, their families, friends. All human life has value.
Again: “just because Hitl-r wanted to do something is not in itself an argument against it”. Of course, the context and grotesque example from history concerning eugen-cs cannot be so casually, glibly dismissed.
Dawkins should be aware, this wasn’t theoretical in Germany, it was an active project, and millions were murdered as a result. The regime also said eugen-cs (selective, controlled breeding for strong, desirable traits) would “work” thereby expressing enthiusiasm for it.
But the reason for moral revulsion at eugen-cs is not merely related to genetics; it’s what it says about how we relate to the weakest. The problem with eugen-cs, like his belief that you shouldn’t keep a baby with DS, is the implicit assumption about what the “right” sort of human being is. Morally, the category of the human ought to be indivisible - all being of equal value, irrespective of wealth, colour, ability. None of us are übermenschen - perfectibility is not possible.
Human life can always be easily discarded in some utilitarian calculation, or on the basis of convenience. We have a long, atrocious history of such Social Darwinism in Europe & N America - until recently. Dawkins cannot pretend to be unaware of these associated horrors, when he’s delivering his, frankly abhorrent, views.
July 4th, 2020
“There is no god - and Feynman is his prophet”.
I often fall asleep while hearing books. Is it more effort to upload these books with individual chapters? Makes it easier to navigate than one large file. PLEASE!
July 5th, 2020
Caesar,
Dawkins doesn’t have “followers”, he has readers. You’re confusing him with religious leaders who require their “readers” to follow blindly …
July 5th, 2020
In that context, it was tw^tter followers, because he had instructed: “Abo-t it and try again” on that particular platform (”it” being a child with Down’s). However, never doubt that such people can have an enormous influence on those who follow their every ill-advised outburst. And a concomitant impact upon the most vulnerable.
He has used that platform to assert many disturbing things; for inst, in relation to which types of r^pe appear as being worse to him; that women who experience se^ual harassment & intimidation should “stop whining” (he is a friend of Lawrence Krauss, remember); his “views” on Muslims, etc. He also said that being se^ually assaulted as a child had no effect whatsoever on him, not even a bad dream. Eugen-cs has been a consistent theme. Eugen-cs gurus/advocates have also had enormous numbers of devoted followers in the past, to the incalculable detriment of humanity.
Many people fanatically follow & emulate celebrities, as we know. When certain politicians/celebs make incendiary remarks on race/Islam, etc. there is an observable spike in attacks, abuse, hate crimes - and everything that goes with such cancer. His followers have a tendency to treat him like a rock star at his events (I saw him speak at Trinity College, Dublin). That can go to the head and give a person, shall we say, enhanced certitude? Fanatical certainty - of all kinds - is what terrifies me.
In the spirit of open exchange, I’ve seen your comments, and you seem like a decent person. Why did my use of that word upset you? You seem to have read what I wrote, and I hope I was reasonable in representing the situation with regard to a subject which I find extremely troubling (to put it far too mildly). Apart from my use of ‘followers’ - which admittedly could have several meanings, like many words - did you find any of Richard Dawkins’ views in any way concerning? Or at least more concerning than my word choice?
July 5th, 2020
Why wouldn’t one wish to abort an defective fetus? Isn’t failing to abort that fetus basically murdering the child whose gestation might begin a month or two post abortion? Makes me cramp just thinking about such callousness.
And what is with all the abbreviations and m^ssing letters? Is the aluminium foil head gear not providing adequate protection?
Finally, should anyone reading this happen the encounter the Big Fish in the Sky who rules the fates of wo/men, tell the God, “Randy says, F.U., with feeling.” F’ing abbreviations, right? But when I do it, it’s cool. Obviously.
Thanks.
July 5th, 2020
Certain terms/syllables are blocked by spam filters; by process of elimination, it looks like “tw^tter” was one of the offending articles - or the inoperative term, so to speak. Language selection is therefore key in this respect. As to your other stuff…oy. Why isn’t there a block for such full spectrum mental vacancy?
When you so eloquently refer to “an defective fetus” you’re essentially invoking the same, er, “thinking” that inspired the Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring, and the consequent murder programmes, such as Action T4.
Your ignorance here is not an excuse, especially in the gruesomely infamous domain of eugenics, and your related interest: “racial hygiene” & “applied biology” - subjects you are no doubt “super Randy” for. Sorry to have to break it to you, mein guter kamerad, but there exists no species purity or perfection & no one is inferior to you, save p’haps in your diseased fantasies.
Man, your first paragraph - reason is not your strong suit. P’haps not “cool” enough?
Dankeschön.
July 5th, 2020
Caesor. It is hard to engage in rational discourse with someone who attacks with false labels person who hold a differing viewpoint.
News flash, a fetus is Down’s Syndrome is damaged. Down syndrome is a genetic disorder caused when abnormal cell division results in extra genetic material from chromosome 21.
You oppose a women’s right to chose, do you not?
July 5th, 2020
Rational discourse? Recall that I was directly responding to an individual who immediately “attacks with false labels (a) person who hold a differing viewpoint.” That’s what we call manifest precedent. Or have you actually expediently forgotten what you just said?
It’s an utterly false position, and a little late, for you to try now to change gear and pretend to be a serious, solemn character in a debate, when you chose to open with ridiculous, ill-advised mockery of “damaged” & “abnormal” human life. You can’t pose as a remotely honest broker now - p’haps a failed, “cramped” comedian?
“Newsflash” - human beings have innumerable health conditions, and can still live fulfilling lives - who is morally entitled to decide otherwise? And exactly who else do you judge to be a legitimate target for “liquidation” - those with cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, autism? How extensive is that eugenics hit-list? Does it encompass all forms of disability?
Eugenics & Social Darwinism are inextricably linked to the genocide of the 20th century - essentially the most evil events in human history. No one can honestly, validly maintain that they’re confused about this, with the factual, historical record before them.
I support a human being’s right to life; that no one has the moral right to take innocent human life - do you not? I think that eugenics and the concept of designer life is profoundly evil, proven to be so. Such evils contribute towards a culture of death, the cheapening of intrinsically valuable human life; they diminish and degrade all of us.
July 8th, 2020
Caesar,
The issue I took with your use of followers is because it plays into the way the religious claim atheism is just another belief. It ain’t.
And for the record, tho I prefer the reasoning of a Hitchens in arguing the case I admire the zealotry of a Dawkins too because it serves back the fanaticism to the Christian right that we’re meant to hold with such reverence because … well because it’s their belief and we shouldn’t question it …
July 8th, 2020
Fair enough, Sancho. Although, (without ref to any religious principles) I find the views expressed to be objectively abhorrent. I don’t like any hysterical fanaticism/zealotry - theirs or “theirs” - and history demonstrates the specific nature of the evil referred to.
As to followers, after his “stop whining” contribution to the sexual assault issue, feminist websites were inundated with quotations from Dawkins to the same effect.
June 2nd, 2025
OH WOW Thank you so much, whoever is still seeding! I didn’t think I would have the luck of still being able to download - greatly appreciated!!
June 2nd, 2025
Just to specify - I am NOT an atheist, I BELIEVE in a creator, but having read the Old Testament, the creator I believe in is certainly NOT the one in the bible!!
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