God and Ronald Reagan: A Spiritual Life - Paul Kengor
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Ronald Reagan is hailed today for a presidency that restored optimism to America, engendered years of economic prosperity, and helped bring about the fall of the Soviet Union. Yet until now little attention has been paid to the role Reagan’s personal spirituality played in his political career, shaping his ideas, bolstering his resolve, and ultimately compelling him to confront the brutal — and, not coincidentally, atheistic — Soviet empire.
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This post has 29 comments with rating of 5/5
June 24th, 2023
Ronald Reagan is burning in hell.
June 24th, 2023
Ronnie would have Hades running significantly more efficiently, at a fraction of the cost. He might have to rationalise some of the minor demons out of the operation, of course.
June 24th, 2023
Thanks for uploading rmoor
June 24th, 2023
Wrong category. Humor is…
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June 25th, 2023
I liked Mad-magazine’s gag about the number of the beast: Ronald Wilson Reagan. Count them.
Ronnie was near facist and imbecile. He said that trees pollute and the US debt blew skyhigh.
June 25th, 2023
Come on, that’s just rank ageism. And the manchineel tree is the most dangerous tree on the planet. A single bite its fruit can lead to death, & touching the bark, sap or leaves results in extreme allergic reactions & painful blisters. Its fruit looks deceptively like an apple (that’s clearly intentional) & feels like an apple. It’s nicknamed the Manzanilla de la Muerte — little apple of death — for a reason. They’re vicious, mean bastards.
Also, the suicide tree can be found in India & in several parts of S. Asia. This tree is named after people committing suicide by eating its fruits.
And the cones of the Bunya pine are football-sized & can be as heavy as 10 kilos. They can fall upon Australians & seriously injure them.
Let’s get real here, none of us trust trees, & we’d certainly be stupid to turn our backs on them. I mean, what they hell do they get up to @ night? And what about if one falls in the forest & no one is around? Nobody can even hear the blaggard! How can any1 believe a word from a tree after that?
As usual, Ronnie was just prepared to say what we were all thinking anyway.
Although Christmas trees (or tannenbaums, if u prefer) are okay. Except for the needles.
As for national debt, you Vikings are the villains again here. Norway is the country with the highest level of household debt based on OECD data, foll by Denmark. And you’re not welcome to pillage our villages anymore to extract funds.
When it comes to America & their debt specifically, that can be a beneficial economic feature. Public debt is a good way for countries to obtain extra funds to invest in their economic growth. It’s also a safe way for peeps to invest in a state’s growth by buying govt bonds. This is much more secure than FDI.
June 25th, 2023
This book doesn’t cover the most important aspect of Reagan: his neoliberal legacy.
For example, the reforms that followed allowed corporations in the US to export middle class jobs abroad so that they could instead pay 30 cents per hour (resulting in massive private profits). He coupled this with attacks on labor unions (PATCO is a famous case of this - the labor union endorsed Reagan, and Reagan then destroyed that labor union) to further increase profits. Low wage retail/service jobs followed as a replacement. To upkeep a middle class life, the up-to-your-neck-in-debt era followed (people have to undertake tons of debt so that consumption, education and etc, a middle class life, could be upkept), which of course has greatly accelerated from the 1980s to what it is now.
Reagan decreased social services (such as education and healthcare https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/upshot/reagan-deregulation-and-americas-exceptional-rise-in-health-care-costs.html - and etc) for the middle class and increased poverty for the lower class with austerity combined with tax cuts for the 10%. A massive 45% tax cut followed for the upper class - you have never seen anything like that. The total tax revenue (the government budget) shifted from getting 3/4ths of it by taxing corporations and top income earners, to the working class. So now 3/4ths of the government budget are funded by the working class - so when they say “we owe 31 trillion dollars in debt”, now you know what they really are saying. Imagine if the amount of tax that you paid reduced by half, while those with ungodly amounts of money had to cover the difference (as it was before), and what that would do for your standard of living. So the functioning of the state has been shifted onto the working class, while the benefactors of that functioning of the state have shifted onto the upper classes. A complete reversal. This also has a double whammy effect, as mentioned above with the debt era, the taxes that the financial elite do not have to pay, also allows them to use that capital to make massive returns by financing that debt. They get to add on top of their gigantic piles and make even more because of that. The inequality, social/political and economic problems that this has produced are gigantic, it’s a repetition of 1930s like era - the financial elite use xenophobic narratives to shift the blame onto minority groups. You can see this by the rise of supremacist groups, and in Greece, they recently had a literal Nazi party gain 1/3rd of the seats in parliament (who only lost support because the other parties absorbed their narratives and policies to retain votes. And you can guess what Nazi policies are).
Reagan systematized continual wealth transfers to the top with voodoo economics/trickle down economics (which really is a weak attempt at misdirecting the ultimate goal of these policies - the concentration of wealth and power to the .1%). Of course the decoupling of productivity to wages followed (meaning all of the growth that the US (and the western world) has experienced in the last 4 decades, has went to the financial elite rather than the base of the people who produce that growth. Which hasn’t been the case prior the 1980s - back then when your country did well, you did too).
He repealed so many regulations that he was named the Great Deregulator (he repealed about half of them). The most significant of which, was beginning the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (finished by Clinton) that by now has caused several massive crashes (and one was prevented in the first Bush era by regulators - the book “The Best Way to Rob a Bank is to Own One” by William K. Black has a section on this). The most recent crash caused by the repeal of Glass Steagall, is the gigantic 2008 - 2009 housing crash that caused a transfer of trillions of dollars of wealth from the working class to the .1%. 10 million Americans “lost” their homes because speculative investment was merged with banking, which allowed literal criminal behavior by the bankers because they knew that they will be bailed out upon a crash (that they cause), or the system will disintegrate. Of course, this crash affected more countries than the US. It also caused tens of millions of people to lose their homes abroad. The total number of people affected is in the billions (the majority of whom are also experiencing wage “stagnation” - shifting profits to the top). Did the government (and the corporations that run it), who run on working class money now use working class money to help out/restructure the debt of the working class so that houses would be kept by that class in the end? Of course not. They bailed out Wall Street, took those houses and gave it to the banks (as did other governments to their bankers across the world), and in the US, did not criminally charge any of them (apart from a single guy - a low hanging fruit who was not involved in creating these toxic financial products. Why? you’d ask. Because they claimed that would harm confidence in the banking system (and the Justice Department agreed) - by the way, guess what sort of prison that guy, and the financial elite go to? The type where their standard of living are still superior to yours). Meaning, they are literally above the law. And even if every once in a while a token one is paraded around, they get to go on a nice vacation for a while. There is a lot more to cover in this section, e.g. he also repealed the fairness doctrine. Where mainstream (corporate) media had to cover a variety of viewpoints. Which essentially turned most news networks into nothing but propaganda machines.
And lastly, (even though there’s a lot more), Reagan also greatly advanced the police state and private prison system via the war on drugs. He used the CIA to pump black communities with drugs to do several things. One, to disenfranchise black voters who are far more likely to vote for working class benefits compared to many white voters who are likely to vote against working class benefits as long as hate criteria are fulfilled (e.g. some minority group(s) get attacked in many number of ways). And two, to fill private prisons with black people to funnel tax payer money into private hands. And three, to raise funds for the fascist forces in Nicaragua (whom congress outlawed the funding of), with the purpose of defeating the overwhelmingly supported leftist reforms - I have no idea how freedom, liberty, nor democracy can be claimed when fascist military dictatorships are couped to instate, funded and enforced abroad.
To prevent such abuses, in my opinion, direct democracies are a great solution. Where you actually get to vote on policies rather than only on so called representatives. This is what that would look like: https://youtu.be/ZeP9LdbJj8M (part 1) and https://youtu.be/wWBIkko8Yaw (part 2)
June 25th, 2023
That’s a copy/paste comment, you’ve used it on several Reagan books. No matter the book, the gambit is “This book doesn’t cover” etc. etc. A gallimaufry of rampant con theories then follow the opening ruse.
Also, direct democracies at state level are not a “great solution” (offer examples) - that is a ludicrous suggestion, & impossibly unwieldy & impractical even at the point of theory. They are possibly effective at the level of village rep groups & golf clubs, however.
June 25th, 2023
Rampant con theories based on what?
It’s not my fault your simping for capitalism has obliterated your ability to reason or even look at any critical evidence when it comes to this subject. Go take it out on someone else.
June 25th, 2023
Precisely, rampant con theories aren’t based on anything, save p’haps fevered imagination, ideology & unrestrained emotion.
“simping for” - Oy. What age are you? Mentally?
And you tirelessly promote failed, genocidal ideology. Enough. A 100% catastrophic failure record is quite enough.
Meandering, irrelevant comments like yours, which trot out reams of stuff unrelated to the specific upload could be made elsewhere. A blog or one of your ideological hate sites.
June 25th, 2023
This is pure projection. Your can’t mentally handle that Reagan was a horrible racist leader who begun a neoliberal era that has caused wage stagnation for 40 years despite year on year productivity growth (meaning all of the economic growth/profit for the last 40 years went to the top, aka massive inequality) leading to vastly inflated asset prices (e.g. housing) because that capital cannot be put to productive use (who’s going to buy these products? The working class who’s up to their necks in debt to be able to upkeep a middle class lifestyle? No. So the capitalists buy up what is there). Which has resulted in supremacist movements gaining vast popularity and support (as it did when such conditions were caused by similar policies in the 1930s). Which you’ve responded with pure ideological belief (none of that can be true, it’s all rampant con theories) and unrestrained emotion.
And this is an objective term, you are a simp for capitalism. You can’t handle anything critical of the subject and ultimately start breaking down in your reasoning abilities as has been the case in previous conversations.
Only someone completely ignorant and as stated, obliterated their ability to reason or even look at any critical evidence when it comes to this subject, could say such things (that socialism is genocidal ideology). Capitalism kills far more people per decade (9 million die every single year just from hunger, and I could go on and on), than has been vastly over inflated to communism in it’s century of existence. And if you really want to start counting numbers, then shall we should go onto capitalism’s colonial/imperialist projects? Because we’d talking numbers in a literal billion dead, from capitalism. And you have the gall to talk about socialism as genocidal. Socialism is about the working class owning the firms and the state. The idea that this is genocidal only flies with uncritical ignorant simps like you.
June 25th, 2023
First: your reams of stuff unrelated to the specific upload -
Your response: “This is pure projection” - then you follow with reams more stuff. Brilliant.
So then we have your objective simping (your own adolescent argot) for failed, genocidal ideology, with a 100% record of catastrophic failure. And you can’t handle anything critical of failed, genocidal ideology, & immediately collapse in your reasoning abilities, as has been the case in previous conversations.
“socialism is genocidal ideology” - Have you ever honestly studied the history of these regimes? Or are you “completely ignorant as stated?”
“hunger” - the centrally planned famines of the Holodomor & the Great Leap Famine? Didn’t happen, I suppose? Or you’d prefer to nuance all the human beings who were killed?
“I could go on and on” - Finally, you tell a modicum of truth. Inadvertently, of course.
“has been vastly over inflated to communism in it’s century of existence” - Immediately into constructive genocide denial. You are truly sleazy.
“colonial/imperialist projects” - The Soviet Empire? With its ambition for world hegemony? Eastern Europe as an imprisoned colony - the Baltic States, Georgia, Ukraine, etc. etc.
Mao’s empire? Invasion of neighbouring countries? Subjugating the Chinese people? All of these regimes primarily make war upon their own people, and always result in social collapse & economic failure - which looks like success to “ignorant simps like you.”
Go back to the 1930s where all u hateful ideologues belong. Your genocidal “apex” - & civilisation’s nadir.
June 26th, 2023
I actually think I’m a bit more on AudioBookBay12311’s side here. Reagan caused the collapse of the Soviet Union, but did almost the same in America. Fortunately, it only hit the poor. To say he didn’t know what he was doing is a gross understatement. Most ideologies aim for a better future - communism, socialism, Christianity, etc. - but in the end all they do is make the rich richer and more powerful.
June 26th, 2023
I always knew you were a closet something-or-other, illodiini. And an indefatigable ageist. To say he didn’t know what he was doing is actually to exculpate him. Blame cannot then be imputed or attached.
Much can be said of his tenure: indeed, his timely & prudent abandonment of détente did hasten the collapse of the catastrophic Soviet empire, and ended the toxic ideological enslavement of so much of Eastern Europe, a region that had suffered under failed, genocidal, ideological regimes for half a century. Tax reduction & a tightening of interest rates by the Federal Reserve led to a record period of peacetime economic growth as well. It’s a mixed bag, to be sure.
The thing is, as you are another sane European who also detests political extremes, your evaluations may be reasonably applied. But the lengthy ramblings of a useful id!ot for extreme ideology - an ideological genocide denier - are entirely surplus to requirements. They properly belong to an ideological hate sites.
There’s another upload, a book by a survivor of the North Korean regime, a person who fortunately escaped that place, and he’s on there as well, ass-erting that the Western media is just lying about North Korea, about that regime’s tyranny, oppression, propaganda, concentration camps, sadistic control of that unfortunate population. That we’ve got the brutal Kim hereditary dictatorship all wrong. That’s the kind of useful id!ot we’re witnessing here. Jesus wept…
And you carefully avoided the issue of poisonous trees. Clever.
June 26th, 2023
That ought to be “properly belong to an ideological hate site” there, of course. My profuse apologies.
June 27th, 2023
@caesar963
I’m actually quite disappointed at your uncritical boosterism of Reagan here. As someone who prides himself in rigorousness in research, you seem fairly blind in this area. Iran/Contra, massive defense overspending that utterly unbalanced the budget, unbelieveably irresponsible and simplistic nuclear policies, appalling response to AIDS, anti-gay legislation, appalling responses to issues of crime and poverty, huge financial irregularities in the markets… And that’s just after he became president. We can add to that his ultra-conservative Team B that lied to the nation about Soviet nuclear capabilites in order to generate more defense contracts…
I mean, this is not conspiracy theorising. This is plain, verifiable fact. You’re letting your utter loathing of all kinds of socialism blind you here.
June 27th, 2023
And let’s not forget - nobody, NOBODY, did more to ensure the relatively peaceful dismantling of the Soviet Union than Gorbachev, even though it was not his intention to do do. Reagan certainly sped it up, by investing trillions into the absurd Star Wars project. So yeah, well done - spend enough money on toys and you get to win. Well done indeed.
June 27th, 2023
Balance of power politics & détente were actually propping up the disastrous Soviet Empire. Reagan’s abandonment of these failed policies hastened that toxic ideological empire’s collapse. That’s the central point I’m making. And I reject any assertion that that empire (or the Chinese regime; or North Korea, etc.) was a good thing, & those who constructively deny genocide (as per the useful id!ot above). The people of Eastern Europe, East Germany, East Berlin - real human beings rather than toys - were living in ideological slavery. Reagan’s policy change ended that, and benefited Europe enormously.
My own politics (not strictly relevant to the case, as I’m not a US voter) encompass fairly standard European centrism: liberal democracy, rule of law, the fundamental human rights-based legal order. Just what works. I wouldn’t be in the Reagan (rifle) range of politics. Consequently, I would probably be regarded as a “socialist” by many Americans, and other non-Euros. I do reject all forms of extreme ideology - those which have led to state slavery, oppression & genocide.
June 28th, 2023
‘God and Ronald Reagan’. Has a nice ring to it. At least Ronnie’s sycophants concede top billing to The Big G. Kengor knows who to place higher in his titles. He has another out called A Pope And A President. And Ronnie gets second billing in that one as well.One day, Ronnie….
This book has engendered some interesting exchanges. And though The Narcissist’s are the least diverting, they’re irritating enough to prompt a response.
Yet again we have the spectacle of a narcissist preening its feathers, fluffing itself up to make itself look bigger. And levelling feigned outrage and genuine contempt at anyone who disagrees with its one-eyed wannabe-professorial declarations. Suggest there’s merit in socialism and you’re a Nazi And a Communist – hard to be both, to be sure, but I’ve been called both in the same comment and self-contradiction is The Narcissist’s forte. Usually written so fast and amidst a welter of insults that it’s easy to miss.
‘Sleazy’, qualified by ‘truly’ – as if to say ‘I was lying before, but this time I mean it’ – is the Narcissist’s all purpose term of abuse.
He’s big on ‘ideological hate sites’ too. Though exactly what he means, he does not-cannot say. They’re like WMDs in Iraq. They must exist somewhere out there, providing all those who contradict him with exceptionable perspectives, because anybody who doesn’t ‘think’ like he does, must be Manchurian candidates with no capacity to think for themselves. Oh, the i-Ronnie.
And of course, there’s ‘Go back to the 1930s where all u hateful ideologues belong’. Because naturellement, anyone who has the temerity to offer a different point of view is a ‘truly disgusting individual’ – another delightful observation I myself was the proud recipient of, not long back. Such projection, from a master of inadvertency.
But is there any consistency in his diatribes? Doth he condemn without fear or favour, or selectivity? Nah. Any validity in the proclamations of this ‘incel without intel’? Nah. ‘Why is ‘u’ ‘&’ ‘@’ and ‘oy’ okay, but not ’simp’? Dunno. Cos The Narcissist sez so?
‘Genocide’ is another of The Narcissist’s favourite words. And woe betide anyone who dares offer the observation that the word is used only to describe the actions of countries at odds with the United States. Such observations render the writer an unspeakable ‘genocide denier’.
‘Genocide’ must be applied only to countries with a differing ideology to that of the USA and – a crucial distinction - those with a differing ideology who are not client states of the US.
When the bottom line is profit , precious ideologies can be ignored at the behest of realpolitik. Thus, any client state can kill who it likes, behead who it likes, drive tanks over protestors, and nobody calls it genocide. It’s the word that dare not speak its name. ‘Cept when the unfavoured are being accused of it. Then it’s bellowed in blustering outrage made less convincing by its clearly partisan application.
I detest the memory of Ronald Reagan. Almost but not quite as much as that of Thatcher, though of the two, even the arch- apartheidist Thatch couldn’t match the genocidal simplicity of the Reagan Administration.
More commentators seem to refer to the Reagan Administration (RA) rather than Reagan himself. Perhaps it’s because they understand that the bumbling, script speaking ‘great communicator’ was lost without his writers and id!ot board. And seldom made a decision without consulting his astrologer or GHW Bush, the real power behind the cockerel-featured, constantly bewildered former actor. To say he was guided by his religion and led a ’spiritual life’ is utter hornswoggle and yet another attempt to rewrite history in a light more favourable to the good ole US.
The Narcissist is tugging at his leash with feigned outrage here.
The unwitting irony is spectacular. Quote: ‘“I could go on and on” - Finally, [he says]you tell a modicum of truth. Inadvertently, of course.’
Am I the only one who coughed into his coffee reading that? For sheer lack of self-awareness it beats most inadvertencies ever encountered on here. The Narcissist himself only knows one way to go. And that is ‘on and on and on’. And, dare I say, on. Witness his endless tirades that threaten to spin off the site into spluttering oblivion.
Here’s another quote: ‘Mao’s empire? Invasion of neighbouring countries? Subjugating the Chinese people? All of these regimes primarily make war upon their own people, and always result in social collapse & economic failure.’Unquote.
There’s never been a socialist or communist state America suffered to exist in peace. Most of them were or are still on a constant war footing. No wonder many end up in ‘economic failure’. Venezuela, for instance, has more oil than Saudi Arabia but is a failing state because it hasuntil very recently been unable to sell any of it. And while it struggles, America peremptorily appoints another Venezuelan president over the heads of its electorate. Now that’s what I call democracy. The country is constantly under bombardment of one kind or another, be it moral, military or economic.Failing because it’s socialist, bien sûr, as if the seeds of its demise lie in the roots of its ideology. Not because its economy is being garrotted by lack of access to world markets.
But that’s recent news. And a trap one commonly falls into when arguing with The Narcissist. He veers from one century to the other like a demented Tardis as he chases his point. Which is,ad nauseam, Socialism evil, Capitalism good.
And Ronnie was so good that in 1984 he bribed opposition parties in Nicaragua not to stand in their elections in order to support the USA’s claim that the elections were unfair and unrepresentative. Now that’s what I call freedom and democracy.
And let’s talk about the ‘invasion of other countries’ since The Narcissist brought it up like a furball on the carpet. The Narcissist is hot on that too. Deliberately adopting a stance that completely ignores any truth which counters his central hypothesis.
Ronnie’s humanity and Christian love were constantly evident in his compassion for those whom others less spiritual might consider a bit genocidal:
During the 1980s, the Reagan Administration actively supported Pol Pot the genocidal demon himself, supplying money and weaponry to keep his army during exile. A genuinely Christian act that will surely guarantee his place in heaven. And in South America, the same Reagan Admin gave huge financial support to the murderous and truly (sic) genocidal regimes of El Salvador and Guatemala, while selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the Contra terrorists attempting overthrow of the truly (sic) democratically elected socialist government of Nicaragua. For the purest of Christian motives, of course.
And while all this was happening, the American people were fed endless stories about the decent rulers of the former two, and the slaughtering devils of the latter. Thanks to the Reagan Admin and US admins before and since, the citizens of Guatemala were and likely still are, living in constant fear of death and/or mutilation. During Reagan’s time dead children were found with eyes gouged out, alongside the headless corpses of their parents. It was rule by terror with Ronnie’s compliance and encouragement. And protection. Practically saintlike.
Times don’t change much. The deaths of kids are always, in the words of Allbright, ‘worth it’ if we’re to keep down those with differing ideologies to the Yanks’.
And they,the arch advocates of democracy and light, show no signs of relenting. It really matters not, who is the figurehead at the top of the compost heap, though one purpose of books like this seems to be the perpetuation of an idea that one man can change things and America is great, honest. In reality, it’s the ones behind the Oval Office wielding the swords. And they never change.
The Narcissist will say that’s a ‘con theory’. When in truth he and millions like him are the ones being conned.
Over the past twenty years, at least six million humans have died as a direct result of America’s wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya,Yemen, Afghanistan and likely Sudan too. Not to mention the ones the media dare not tell us about. And I wasn’t going to mention Ukraine when I started this.
So who is the ’sleazy’ (corrupt, immoral) one here? The one who suggests there might possibly be some element of media manipulation to the endless negativity espoused by the Western press? Or the one who affects to display endless knowledge on such a wide range of subjects that he must know he’s defending the reputation of a genocide facilitator, an enabler president bankrupt of morality and sense - that is, if he had any in the first place?
And this word ’simp’. A slang term first used in the early 20th century. Though it’s yet to find itself in the New Oxford, it’s been around a while. As for its being ‘adolescent’, it’s easily as comulent as ‘tankie’, and in its employment to describe The Narcissist’s Nelsonian attachment to an often genocidal ideology, more so. I find ‘tankie’ an extremely childish term, redolent of the playground. Unlike The Narcissist I wouldn’t harp on (and on and on) about it.
Nor would I accuse somebody of ‘cut and paste’ if I had previously been caught passing off others’ words as my own.
At least AudioBookBay12311 cut’n’pasted his own words. And wasn’t attempting to show himself smarter than he is. In direct contrast to others.
With regard to this particularly awful book The Narcissist is in typically febrile form. He opines that Ronnie was a great guy who ‘would have Hades running significantly more efficiently, at a fraction of the cost.’ I almost smiled.
He avoids the truth that there is always ‘cost’. And in Reagan’s case, the poor bore it, and bear it still. Both in his own country and in the invasion of others.
I won’t go on. I’ll leave that to The Narcissist.
June 28th, 2023
More onanistic, subliterate, rambling drivel from Wobbly1933 (a numbing 1,657 words & 34 paragraphs - all tankie garbage) - an actual, proven genocide denier & supporter (repeatedly here: https://audiobookbay.lu/asbs/a-message-from-ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-2-0725/). Absurdity heaped on falsehoods, like Pelion upon Ossa. What attracts such “useful” ideological id!ots to a book site, away from their accustomed Hate sites & propaganda suppliers? It certainly isn’t knowledge - that’s like Kryptonite to an ideological genocide denier/supporter such as Wobbly heinrich.
“I’ve been called both in same comment” - Any evidence? Of course not. Always the transparent ruse of ass-ertion sans proof.
‘ideological hate sites’ - The con theory emporia that you mindlessly believe & from which you endlessly copy/paste. Your sources for “intelligence” on all the “Dark Forces” you narrowly obsess over, with your Jew hatred likely being no coincidence. It’s always the Jeeewz! with you lot.
“I could go on & on” - And you do.
“incel” - Own it, heinrich!
During the Cold War, the main combatants supported appalling regimes in order to oppose the other. But of course all you have is the mindless reflex of “WhatAboutAmerica?!”
“‘Genocide’ applied only countries with differ ideol to US” - So your genocide denial/support is expediently cloaked by your id!otic incomprehension? Brilliant.
“accuse somebody ‘cut & paste’ I had previous been caught passing off others’ words as my own” - Again: evidence? You’ve ass-erted before, & greasily evaded the challenge. And will “go on & on.”
“always ‘cost’. Reagan’s case, poor bore it, & bear it still. in own country & invasion others.” - And in the case of your own mindless, genocidal ideology, entire populations bore the brutal, inhuman cost. And still do in many cases, including the countries they barbarically invaded. But you omit all that, don’t you Wobbly1933?
June 28th, 2023
Although I probably ought to acknowledge the clearly laboured & long-winded effort you’ve put into your tedious rant, in spite of its inevitable vacuity. You are desperately trying, all the same…
June 28th, 2023
Quote: ‘entire populations bore the brutal, inhuman cost. And still do in many cases’ unquote.
Usual selective simping for a genocidal ideologue. Did El Salvador and Guatemala not have ‘entire populations’ then? Do you know what ‘entire’ means?
And: ‘incel’ Own it Heinrich!” Is your transparent and rather immature way of saying ‘I know you are. But what am I?’ Pee Wee Herman would’ve been so proud.
You have a tired habit of denying what is obvious. In one post, you deny calling me a Nazi and a communist. What’s ‘Heinrich’, if not a reference to Nazism? And how many times have you accused me of supporting Stalin? You can’t even recall what you write. Or perhaps somebody else did it for you.Block cut n paste can cause confusion if you don’t read it thoroughly before you claim it.
I’ve no intention of searching back through this site for the exact exchange when you copied and pasted a piece from the Jewish Chronicle and claimed it as your own. What’s the point? I witnessed it. Retrospective denial won’t do, Narcissist.
But as you desire proof from me, let’s have the quotes upon which you base your claim of my being antisemitic, or ‘jew hating’ as you so deceptively put it. And while you’re at it, cite the proof I’m a Nazi.
Quote:’During the Cold War, the main combatants supported appalling regimes in order to oppose the other.’
Dragging sense out of that sentence was a task in itself. You’re a fine simp for accusing me of being ’sub literate’. Do you mean ‘the main combatants [each] supported appalling regimes? Still, I detect some reluctant admittance that the US ain’t perfect, then. At long last.
And again for the so-called Uyghur ‘genocide’. Questioning scant evidence is not the same as Denial of the obvious. But such are the devices narcissists are prone to use.
There’s a hell of a lot more evidence for the atrocities in the Middle East and in Latin America than there is for the claim that a million Uyghurs have been killed in China. Yet you deny genocide happened in those places. Why you dissembling hype o cryte. Who unfastened your chain? Your ‘fact checker?’
June 28th, 2023
Ronald Reagan was a clown and that’s putting it politely! I thought he was the worst president in recent history but then came Goerge Bush II who wrestled that title from him and when we thought it couldn’t get any worse than that there was the Donald. You can’t make America great againg by using the dummest tools.
June 28th, 2023
More laboured, isolated, basement nonsense & “usual selective simping for a genocidal ideologue.” Seriously - do you not know what ‘entire’ means? Why do you make all these obvious errors?
‘incel’ - Really? You’re in your basement, calling people on the internet “incels” - & you’re then whining about “immaturity?” Why do you guys always have zero self-awareness?
And you specifically said (one comment ago!) - “Nazi And a Communist…I’ve been called both in the same comment” - Where? Give me an exact quote, with those precise words. But you can’t, because you’re a liar.
“how many times have you accused me supporting Stalin?” - You do support Stalin, you plank. And all those like Stalin. So it’s an identification. You’re enraged when the record of human rights violations are mentioned. “Human rights blah blah” - remember? And “he keeps talking about the genocides!” (”You can’t even recall what you write” Yeah.)
And Germany has a history of several genocidal ideological extremisms (which, in fairness, you wouldn’t know). You do hate Jews; support & deny genocide, so you will have to own all of that.
“Block cut n paste can cause confusion if you don’t read it thoroughly before you claim it” - Advice from an acknowledged expert there!
“Jewish Chronicle” - It’s always the Jews with you lot, isn’t it?
“I’ve no intention of searching for the exact exchange” - Because you’re an inveterate liar, & you repeatedly make things up. All you do is copy/paste con theories & weaponised lies, so this is all of a piece.
“What’s the point?” - Of telling the truth? Well, if it has to be explained to you…
“I witnessed it” - You’ve witnessed a lot of fantastic things, haven’t you Wobbly? Remember your stories about “Ukrainian biolabs!” and your shrill insistence that the Ukrainians are actually constantly bombing themselves? Not terribly reliable are you?
But then you rely so much on your Putinesque “Accusation in a mirror” technique.
“antisemitic, or ‘jew hating’ as you so deceptively put it” - Oy. You really are subliterate. Jew hating is specific; Semitic refers to a language group & lacks specificity. “deceptive” - You’re such a plank. And you single out Jews & Americans as your preferred evildoers - ignoring Hamas’ - inter alia - human rights violations. Now why is that? And when you decide to make up a hated publication, it has to be Jewish, doesn’t it? And you devotedly support Putin’s extreme imperialist nationalism & brute power; you reject liberal democracy & fundamental human rights, because you support genocidal ideologies of power, incl the Assad regime; you mock Ukrainian victims of rape & murder, etc. etc.
“sense out of that sentence” - You eejit! It figures that elementary grammar is also beyond you. Give your considered, evidenced explanation for your assertion. (That ought to be hilarious.) You continuously demonstrate your subliterate skills, so don’t be so precious.
“admittance that US” - I’ve consistently condemned human rights violations, whereas you reflexively support or deny those of your favoured genocidal ideological tyrannies. So, a slight difference there.
And in that precise context: ” the so-called Uyghur ‘genocide’” - Yet again you deny genocide. Because Grayzone, with its Chinese regime sympathies, denies genocide. You are a disgusting genocide denier. That has been repeatedly established. I observe the findings of the international human rights agencies, the region’s concentration camps, the targeted ethnic group & the established population statistics. But then tankies hate facts, don’t they?
No joke, you do sound quite insane, Wobbly1933.
June 28th, 2023
“admittance that US” - That’s also “admission” Wobbly. Your career as a grammarian lasted all of no seconds. You should try reading books, instead of burning them.
June 29th, 2023
No. Wrong as usual Narcissist, in your typically bathetic (sic) attempt to ’score’ a ‘point’.
I meant ‘admittance’ as in ‘acceptance’. Or as in sense finally getting entry into a place for which it requires particular dispensation. Like your head.
I can imagine your posting your first comment, which I’ll come to in a sec, sitting back in your stained und!es and looking at it, all smug-like, then realising you might be able to make another smart remark.
You are so predictable.
I’ve no doubt whatsoever you’re an incel, likely because you are a narcissist or failing that, as unprepossessing physically as you are repellent intellectually. Who could stand to converse with you without feeling compelled to stick their head into a bag of snakes just for the change of company?
‘Incel’ jars with you, that’s obvs. Own it, Narcissist.
Also:
Is there any possibility you could see in your previous comment (the one after I asked you to justify calling me an antisemite, Nazi and Communist) that you have repeated the same allegations while denying you said them? Don’t you read the stuff before you post it, or is it just automatic writing bypassing your brain altogether?
You’re such a quibbling egotist you insist on explicating the precise difference between ‘jew hating’ and ‘antisemitism’ as though the terms have not been regarded as synonymous for the past hundred years. That right there, highlights your narcissism. And you do so while making excuses for your own ‘elementary grammar’. As though I should accept your inadequacy without comment even as you claim to point out mine.
Quote:’I’ve consistently condemned human rights violations’.
And you call me a liar.
You have made ostentatious allusions to condemnation without condemning any human rights abuses at all, except those specifically laid out for you by Western media. The ones you feel safe in condemning because it doesn’t conflict with your wholehearted acceptance of MSM prop.
You won’t even admit the truth about Reagan’s support of genocidal regimes during his presidency. He’s Good Old Ronnie, Freedom’s friend.Democracy’s defender.
Hypocrisy upon hypocrisy.
Here’s rank idiocy: You spill your bile because I do not accept without question the testimony of US funded sources with vested interests in propagating unproven allegations. Then you ignore the well-documented obscenities that continue unabated day in day out. And support without question those who commit them. In other words, bright boy, refusing to swallow questionable claims is far worse in your ‘mind’ than actually committing or physically supporting genocide.
How twisted is that?
I’m not a ‘jew hater’, nor a Nazi, not a Communist.Nor a racist for that matter. I’m a socialist. But what you call me is of no significance at all. Carry on. If it makes your blood boil, which it seems to do, I’m happy enough.
But it’s (sorta) interesting - though nothing you ever say is original - that you call me Heinrich and Wobbly 1933 while commenting in support of Ukrainian Nazis whose insignias have to be photoshopped off their uniforms before they are shown on Western media.
Unwitting, unconscious, probably both.(Tell me those two words are synonymous) You are a fine example of a narcissist trying to face both directions at once.
Condemning all human rights abuses (without being too specific, lest you inadvertently stand out from the crowd). And denying all those that exist under your very snout.
Quote: Remember your stories about “Ukrainian biolabs!” and your shrill insistence that the Ukrainians are actually constantly bombing themselves?
Yep. I remember. Here you’re showing how much of an uninformed blustering buffoon you are.
A video exists online in which Victoria Nuland is answering questions before a Senate committee about biolabs, saying she is concerned that Russia might acquire them.I’ve seen it. But of course, I’m a liar. And you haven’t the skill or curiosity to seek it out.
And you’re so laughably inane you’re actually saying I claimed the Ukrainians are bombing themselves? Dams, yes. Nuclear plants, yes. But, oh dear. Narsy.Even in your most rabid wet dreams you couldn’t believe I said that.
D minus. Must do better.
June 29th, 2023
Another fact-free extravaganza of demented hatred there from Wobbly1933.
“some reluctant admittance that the US ain’t perfect” - That’s also “admission” Wobbly —
Then: “I meant ‘admittance’ as ‘acceptance’. Or in sense getting entry into place for which it requires partic dispensation” - HA HA HA! That’s your most ludicrous retcon yet, Wobbly! Just have the balls to admit your latest phck up, tankie. You lunatic plank.
“stained und!es” - Well just wash ‘em, basement bob, don’t come on here complaining about your stench!
you’re an incel - well, “admittedly” (see?) given that you support & deny genocide, you’re not likely to be a social gadfly. Your psychiatric issues are demonstrably legion, and your basement would be a right whiffer & no mistake.
“a bag of snakes” - Doubtless a description (or p’haps an “admission” - see?) of your own consciousness.
“‘Incel’ jars with you, that’s obvs.” - Cal will likely agree. (But do calm down, heinrich, your rage is out of control! So much so that your “maturity” is slipping. Oy.)
“calling me an antisemite, Nazi & Communist” - Again, can you identify the actual quote? No. You’re normally straight onto a copy/paste job - when you actually have something to copy. I did indeed observe that you are a Jew hater - I did not use the term anti-Semite. If your comprehension was above that of a bovine with a head injury you will have noticed that I said, “You really are subliterate. Jew hating is specific; Semitic refers to a language group & lacks specificity. And you single out Jews & Americans as your preferred evildoers.” And then observed your support of genocidal ideologies & despotic tyrannies; alongside your denial of some genocides & your support of others. Happy to clarify, tankie lad. Unsurprising that you reveal no understanding of the term Semite. Add it to “admittance” & all the rest.
“such a quibbling” - You were the one posing as a grammarian, until that too collapsed into rank absurdity - along with all of your other fatuous cons.
“the terms regarded as synonymous for past hundred yrs” - Oy, you’re not back to your humiliating admittance/admission phck up again, are you? Advisable to draw a prudent veil, Wobbly1933.
“inadequacy as you claim to point out mine” - You always advance your own innumerable inadequacies, tankie. Others need only draw a little attention to your clangers.
Such as: “And you call me a liar” - Well, of course you are. You’re a proven genocide denier. It seriously doesn’t get any worse than that.
“condemn human rights abuses…laid out by West media” - So, when I condemn your favoured genocidal regimes, anti-democratic tyrannies, and genocides such as the Great Leap Famine; the Holodomor; the Cultural Revolution; the genocide of the Uyghur people; the gassing of the Kurds; the mass killings committed by the Assad regime, the Putin regime & the North Korean regime - and all your other favoured genocidal regimes around the world - your position is that these did not happen - that it’s all just the Western media? You sound as utterly insane as always there.
The real question which you avoid: why do you always uncritically shill for genocidal regimes?
Why do dismiss fundamental human rights as “Human rights blah blah” - & mock Ukrainian victims of rape & murder? Why do hate all liberal democratic, rule of law states, and then unquestioningly support Putin’s regime, for inst?
“you feel safe in condemning” - Wait, “feel safe?” Do you imagine that the “Dark Forces” you witter on about - the ones “censoring” you - are going to switch off your dank, lonely basement? Or steal your collection of sodden toilet paper?
“your wholehearted acceptance of MSM prop” - the “MSM” - what an utter nutter. As opposed to your slavish & childish copy/paste from Putin state media & allied outlets? Would they ever have any reason to lie to you, do you “think” Wobbly? Of course not.
“Ronnie, Freedom’s friend.Democracy’s defender” - Ask the people of Eastern Europe - many of whom you have ridiculed when they became victims of human rights abuses. Also ask all the victims of the Soviet Empire - but in so many cases you can’t, can you?
“Hypocrisy upon hypocrisy.” - You are a genocide denier. There’s a full stop on that one, tankie.
“You spill your bile because I do not accept without question the testimony” - What you believe is a matter of utter indifference to me, Wobbly. But I will give you a good slap when you copy/paste your bot prop. I have a low tolerance for your kind of genocide-denying stupidity, as you know by now.
“I do not accept without quest testimony of US funded sources w vested interests in propagating unproven allegations” - And you completely accept the proven lies of Putin state media & the CCP, I know, you’ve said. That the Ukrainians are constantly bombing themselves, and the Uyghur people put themselves in concentration camps, and then started sterilising themselves. All your clangers.
“unproven allegations” - What unproven allegations are you drooling about here? That Putin invaded a sovereign neighbour? Again? You utter fool.
“you ignore well-docum obscenities that contin unabated day in day out” - Again, you deny genocide, thereby unquestioningly supporting it - and you tirelessly/tiresomely shill for Putin’s regime. What is it that you imagine I’m ignoring? This implied, nebulous thing phenomenon you hope will distract from actual ideological genocide & imperialist invasions? You forgot to copy/paste that.
“support without question those who commit them…actually committing or physically supporting genocide.” - Indeed, this is what you demonstrably do. “How twisted is that?” - Inconceivably twisted. Own it, dull boy.
“I’m not a ‘jew hater’” - More lies. You focus on Jews, you ignore Hamas. In your false contrivance, you cited a publication that was “Jewish.” You ignore the human rights violating regimes in the region - but you consistently target the Jews. You are an inveterate liar.
“I’m not a ‘jew hater’, nor a Nazi, not a Communist.Nor a racist” - What you are is a proven supporter of genocidal ideologies & despotic regimes. Your lonely basement label is immaterial. In addition, when you support the genocide of ethnic groups - which you do - you are, by definition, a racist. Own that, too.
“blood boil” - I continue to identify your pathologies. The blood’s grand.
“I’m happy enough.” - Indeed, “happy enough” to support & deny genocide.
And yes, you support the many Russian neo-nazi groups which have invaded and committed atrocities in Ukraine & Syria. That has been established also.
“Tell me those two words are synonymous” - When you, as you do here, finally start asking for help with all your desperate confusion, there will be many people in the community prepared to offer assistance. Just emerge from your basement isolation & stop hatefully shilling for genocide. It must be the road to immovable despair for you.
“Condemning all human rights abuses” - This clearly irritates the genocidal ideology right out of you!
On your “Ukrainian biolabs!” “A video exists, Victoria Nuland before Senate cttee abt biolabs, saying concerned Russia might acquire them.I’ve seen it.” - Oh dear. He’s seen it, he says. So, here you maintain that this public recording of the proceedings of a Senate committee concerns the secret, nefarious biolabs you were drooling about? And the nature of its work? Did Putin media/Grayzone “clarify” for you?
In Mar 2022, during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Russian officials falsely claimed that public health facilities in Ukr were “secret U.S.-funded biolabs” purportedly developing biological weapons, which was debunked as disinformation by multiple media outlets, scientific groups, & international bodies. The claim was amplified by China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs & Chinese state media, & was also promoted by followers of your QAnon con theory & subsequently supported by other far-right groups in the US. (More of your reliable sources.)
Russian scientists, inside & outside Russia, have publicly accused the Russian govt of lying about evidence for covert “bioweapons labs” in Ukr, saying that documents presented by Russia’s Defense Ministry describe pathogens collected for public health research (Mackey, Robt (17 Mar 2022). “Russia Is Lying About Evidence of Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine, Russian Biologists Say”. The Intercept.). The “bioweapons labs” claim has also been denied by UN, & the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (”China & QAnon embrace Russian disinformation justifying war in Ukraine.” France 24. 2022-03-12. - and - Landay, Jonathan; Pamuk, Humeyra; Lewis, Simon (2022-03-11). “U.N. says no evidence to back Russian claim of Ukraine biological weapons program”. Reuters.)
Political scientist & espionage scholar Thomas Rid suggests this may be a case of the Kremlin “accusing the other side of the thing they are in fact doing” based on historical precedent (Collins, Ben; Collier, Kevin (14 Mar 2022). “Russian propaganda on Ukraine’s non-existent ‘biolabs’ boosted by U.S. far right”. NBC News). This is your “accusation in a mirror” tactic.
In the 1980s, when the Soviets deployed chemical weapons in Laos & Afghanistan, Soviet-aligned press published disinformation alleging that the CIA was weaponizing mosquitoes (The U.S.S.R.’s AIDS Disinformation Campaign. Ann Arbor, Michigan: U.S. Dept of State. 1987). False Soviet reports blaming HIV/AIDS on the US, commonly called Operation INFEKTION, also aimed to distract from contemporary Soviet activities. Additionally, Thomas Rid stated that the right-wing adoption of the Ukraine bioweapons conspiracy theory may be influenced by the COVID-19 lab leak theory.
The Kremlin has a history of fomenting con theories about ordinary biology labs in former Soviet republics, having previously spread propaganda about Georgia & Kazakhstan similar to recent accusations deployed against Ukraine. (Fichera, Angelo; Klepper, David (12 Mar 2022) “Russia’s bioweapon conspiracy theory finds support in US” San Francisco Chronicle. Archived from the original on 27 Mar 2022. - and - Rawnsley, Adam (2022-03-18). “What You Don’t Know About Russia’s ‘Bioweapons’ Bullsh*t” The Daily Beast. - and - Stronski, Paul. “Ex-Soviet Bioweapons Labs Are Fighting COVID-19. Moscow Doesn’t Like It” Foreign Policy. - and - “A US-funded lab in Tbilisi, Georgia fights COVID-19 — and Russian disinformation”. Coda Story. Mar 18, 2020.)
For example, the Kremlin made false accusations against the public health facility, Lugar Research Center in Georgia, as the research centre worked on fighting against the COVID-19 pandemic. The labs have been widely observed by international partnerships since the Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction, which was estab to contain & eliminate weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical, & bio) left behind in the former Soviet Union. When this threat reduction was complete, the research facilities, owned by the newly independent countries, began the task of public health research, incl monitoring & preventing new epidemics. The Dept of Defense provides “technical support to the Ukrainian Ministry of Health since 2005 to improve public health laboratories” as part of a continuation of international agreements to reduce biological threats, but does not control or provide personnel to the public health facilities. (Kessler, Glenn (11 Mar 2022) “How the right embraced Russian disinformation about ‘U.S. bioweapons labs’ in Ukraine”. Washington Post. - and - Palmer, Ewan (2022-03-08) “U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine — separating the facts from the fiction” Newsweek. - and - “PolitiFact - There are no US-run biolabs in Ukraine, contrary to social media posts”. PolitiFact.)
Better that you stick to improving your grammar, Wobbly.
“But of course, I’m a liar” - No argument there (proof above & throughout). Still, it’s quite an “admittance” for you.
“actually saying I claimed Ukrs are bombing themselves? Dams, yes. Nuclear, yes. you couldn’t believe I said that.” - You unutterable clown. What do you imagine “bombing themselves” can encompass? So, your coherent position is: they’re not bombing themselves - but they’re bombing themselves, because they can’t be bombing themselves? That’s your exposed tankie logic, right there.
“D minus. Must do better” - Not likely, on your current record…
July 2nd, 2023
Well. That’s told me,and no mistake. Yer got me bang to rights, guv.
I leave you alone for a coupla days and this is how you repay me. Leaving another dump of vituperative sludge on the carpet of this nice clean page. Your handler should rub your nose in it and cast you out the house.
It’s fortunate for you that the dump lacks consistency and is quite runny (and funny) in parts. Had it been otherwise, such a mound might have been strenuous to squeeze out. Watch your health. Remember what happened to Elvis.
Predictably,it’s just another cut’n'paste one-trick pony diatribe. Using critical and analytical ‘methods’ picked up by most adolescents in pre-college edumacation. We used to call it ‘cherry pick and chide’. On my old hate site.
You, Narsty , are a troll in virtually every sense of the word, from the malignant being that dwells with intent under bridges to the one the OED defines as ‘one who makes deliberately offensive or provocative online posts’.
Under your malign residence, audiobookbay has often the very atmosphere of an ‘internet hate site.’ (According to your tedious tropes I should know). A place in which no oppositional view or ideology is tolerated. And all the widely-disseminated narratives of western state-sponsored media are presented and championed with sneering sophistry and verbal abuse. The result is at the same time risible, tiresome, and needy.Little chicken nuggets laid out for the delectation of those (rapidly diminishing, I should imagine) on this site who bafflingly regard you with a certain esteem. Those for whose approval you will continue to post and preen and pirouette long after all sense and logic has left the room in terminal ennui.
But you have to tread with care, lest you step into a mess of your own making.You appear to have trodden pretty close to a verbal petal mine with your incomprehensible worship of Reagan.Not everyone agrees with you.It’s a chink in the armour of your imagined invincibility.
You must make more effort to stick with the crowd.
As you usually do.
You seem to have a thing for ex-actors who allow themselves to be led by the nose for financial gain.
You have my regard. As a figure of amusement and puerility who does not know when to stop. And who can, as I think tenbenson once put it in a rare glimpse of perspicacity, ‘be led around [by his ego] all day’.
This will likely continue.
The video before the Senate committee, referred to earlier is on C-Span (dot) org, you unspeakable buffoon.(See? Anybody can throw these around. And it’s so much fun)
Nuland does indeed refer to those labs as ‘biological research facilities’. And appears to struggle with a moment of uncertain terminology.
Laboratory, biological. ‘Biolabs’. What is certain, is that what exactly was in them, and there were 30 at least, has been withheld from public knowledge. And that, as even you (you half-coherent slymeborl) must concede, is somewhat suspicious.
Whether those labs house bioweapons is still unknown. But that biolabs existed and Nuland was concerned Russia might acquire them, is incontestable. Even to you.
Thomas Rid can be seen on the same site, putting forward the case for Russian aid in the election of Trump in 2016.
These are both highly reliable and respectable witnesses.(Sarcasm. I know you have trouble with it.)
Now we come to the source of contention that exists and will always exist between you and me.
You always cite Western sources in support of Western allegations. But it must enter (even your) head that all Western corporate media from Washpo, NYT, Fox News, SanFran Chronicle, USA Today etc along with spokespersons from John Hopkins, Harvard, Chicago or wherever, are financially beholden to their employers and/or shareholders.And ‘experts’ who cannot be relied on to supply the correct testimony soon fall from grace.
Therefore it is transparently deceptive constantly to quote (as you do) those same actors as verifiers of objective truths. They will toe the line or suffer the consequences. That goes for ‘politifact’ too. They believed the White Helmets.
For instance, American senator Rand Paul asked only for an audit of US financial and weapon supplies to Ukraine and was instantly called a ‘traitor’. It has been claimed since,that his name is on the Myrotvorets ‘kill list’, along with at least 200,000 other ‘enemies of Ukraine’.
Meanwhile your deceit is so partisan that independent journalists - of whom Blumenthal, Mate, Klarenberg, Lancaster, Bartlett are laudable examples - you dismiss outright and revile as shills for Putin. When they are the only truly independent journalists around.Save, say, John Pilger and Seymour Hersh. Who you won’t believe either.And Julian Assange. And Gonzalo Lira,an American reporter who’s in prison in Ukraine along with Zelensky’s opponents for telling his truth.
It is risible. You are risible. Who can possibly take you seriously?
There has been no denial of the recent claim that Zelensky was rebuked by the CIA for embezzling $400 mill of the money sent to fight the proxy war.And that allegation remains unchallenged all over the net.
Your second to last paragraph is an inconsistent ramble. Only a narcissist such as yourself would claim I said Ukrainians were bombing themselves. You make yourself more ludicrous with every comment. Why does anybody take you seriously?
PS.I should be disappointed if you didn’t take that last sentence and add your usual predictable comment.
Quote:’I have a low tolerance for your kind of genocide-denying stupidity, as you know by now.’
Not on the evidence so far.Six million dead since 2003 would seem like ‘genocide’ to anyone but yourself. And the number of dead in South America in Reagan’s time also evidences you as a liar.
‘Slap’me? Metaphorically of course. Ain’t no other way for a troll.’Here we see the violence inherent in the system,’ as Monty Python said.
I almost forgot. I welcome your admittance that there were indeed, biolabs in Ukraine.Which only a comment back you denied.
And who’s Cal? You’ve named your doll? That’s cute.
July 2nd, 2023
Some of you have way too much time on your hands, get a job.
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