Enough Already - Time to End the War on Terrorism - Scott Horton

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  dchant
  February 19th, 2022
  

  

  Thanks

  Enough Already - Time to End the War on Terrorism - Scott Horton
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  winzton
  February 19th, 2022
  

  Wow! Only 2 days ago, I went looking for this book and couldn’t find it here. Thanks for the upload!

  Enough Already - Time to End the War on Terrorism - Scott Horton
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  azang
  February 19th, 2022
  

  Ah! Someone else has listened to Joe Rogan’s episode with Dave Smith I see :-)

  Thanks!

  Enough Already - Time to End the War on Terrorism - Scott Horton
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  Acanthrohu
  February 20th, 2022
  

  

  So what’s he saying? Is the author suggesting governments around the world should just roll over and play dead and allow terrorists to have free rein to commit their atrocites?

  I can understand not wanting to get bogged down in another futile war like that which occurred in Afghanistan, but surely terrorists can’t just be allowed to attack innocent civilians and go unpunished?

  Guess I should have listen to learn what what this author is proposing countries do about terrorism.

  Enough Already - Time to End the War on Terrorism - Scott Horton
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  Thamus
  February 20th, 2022
  

  

  As soon as states declare war on something, be it drugs, terrorism, political incorrectness or a genetic sequence associated with a virus, then civilians at large become the victim of collateral damage.

  Enough already, indeed.

  Enough Already - Time to End the War on Terrorism - Scott Horton
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  peterno0ne
  March 26th, 2022
  

  @Acanthrohu What makes you think that we “punish” terrorists when we go to war — why would we punish the foreign fighters the CIA trains to help us start wars and bring American troops in? The media tells you a story to get you to support the wars, but those stories are never true. The only way you haven’t found that out yet is because you aren’t trying to find out.

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  apnea
  January 1st, 2025
  

  

  The US empire is history’s biggest terror organization.
  Thank Christ it’s on it’s last legs. I won’t be surprised if they throw a exceptionalism-not nuclear hissy fit. Bullies who can no longer push around their peers are known to back shoot in a final temper tantrum.
  The record of US empire evils is there for anyone to read.
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  *List of Atrocities committed by US authorities*
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  Definition: An extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.
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  “If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” - Nelson Mandela
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  https://dessalines.github.io/essays/us_atrocities.html
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  I remember before Mandela was even cold in his grave the witch Hillary and other US scum tried to hitch their wagon to his legacy - he hated everything America stood for. What the US did, not their BS, we the good guys propaganda.

  Enough Already - Time to End the War on Terrorism - Scott Horton
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  apnea
  January 1st, 2025
  

  

  I’d like to see Horton’s latest.
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  *Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine*
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  “Horton is a fox, weaving an encyclopedic knowledge of various conflicts into an elaborate and convincing tapestry that indicts elites, intellectuals, the military-industrial complex, and—with characteristic vitriol—neoconservatives in pushing the US toward unnecessary wars.

  Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine, fits this mold to a tee—not because Horton contorts facts to a preconceived narrative. Rather, because it is often the same people pushing conflict after conflict who, unsurprisingly, resort to the same, well-worn playbook. Horton’s tome is riveting, from beginning to end. Here, I will focus on the early post-Cold War years, since this part of the story is oft-neglected in contemporary debates about the origins of the Ukraine war.

  With the closing of the Cold War, and the USSR dissolving, the US faced a crisis of success: what use is the NATO military alliance without the Soviet enemy to align against? More broadly, what grand strategy should the US adopt now that containing communism was obsolete? For neoconservatives, whose answer post-Cold War was benevolent global hegemony, the solution was to adapt NATO. NATO must gradually absorb more European nations, while leaving Russia out in the cold—contained and encircled, in an even worse position than during the Cold War. NATO must expand its mission to keep European peace and expand Western democracy, or wither on the vine.

  From George H.W. Bush to today, the record meticulously compiled by Horton demonstrates that US and other Western leaders communicated to Russia leaders and officials that NATO would not expand east—and could even allow for Russian membership in NATO. Various efforts like the Partnership for Peace and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe were promoted to foster this impression that Russia would be included in European affairs, alliances, and institutions, rather than these structures aligning against them. All the while, these same US and Western leaders took virtually the opposite positions internally, with the result that the US willfully misled the Russians. The exact internal and external postures waxed and waned over the years, but this ultimate pattern held firm. This was even though, all along, Russian officials warned about how they and the Russian people would react to NATO advancing east. What we see is, in terms with which Americans are well-familiar, “a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object.”

  It began with George H.W. Bush, who promised Mikhail Gorbachev, after the fall of the Berlin Wall as the Soviet Union careened towards collapse, that the US would not take advantage of the situation. This was also reflected in a NATO resolution on June 7, 1991. Bush and his advisors promised that NATO would not expand if the Soviet Union would withdraw and allow German reunification. The 1990 settlement would only specify that the US would not put troops in East Germany, a nuance which Russia hawks have exploited to argue there was no promise not to expand NATO. But this does not fly. Horton asks the rhetorical question: what sense would it make for the Soviet Union to extract a promise not to put troops in East Germany, if the US had a free hand to bring the rest of Eastern Europe into a military alliance? This agreement only makes sense on a backdrop of agreeing not to expand NATO.

  The sins of the Clinton years were legion. In the early 90s, the US sent economists from the Harvard Institute of International Development to Russia to enact what came to be called a “shock therapy” economic policy. It was so badly designed and had such poor outcomes that many Russian thought it must be deliberate. Unsurprisingly, this did not dispose ordinary Russians to view the West favorably. Throughout the decade, Clinton and his advisors duplicitously offered Russia promises that a “Partnership for Peace” process would be pursued rather than NATO expansion—and that NATO would lose its military character—all the while planning to expand NATO.

  The Clinton administration was heavily involved in the Balkans wars of Bosnia and Kosovo, which present strong cases against “humanitarian” intervention. The result of Bosnia was that NATO proved itself capable of fulfilling a new mission, while the US solidified itself at the head of European affairs, each of which were necessary for subsequent NATO expansion. Kosovo further solidified NATO’s new role on the continent—even intervening in civil wars—while the bombing campaign against Serbia convinced Russians that the US was an aggressive, ruthless great power, who would violate international rules when it suited them. The US engaged in this aggressive war, in violation of the UN Charter, without approval of the UN Security Council (on which Russia sat). So much for the liberal rules-based international order. The US’s frequent remaking of the rules was a frequent complaint of Russia, including during the Iraq War.

  Moreover, when Russia went to war with break-away Chechnya, Clinton’s CIA and US allies supported Chechen rebels and separatist mujahideen fighters fighting on Chechnya’s side against the Russians, with the goal to disrupt an existing Russian oil pipeline running through Chechnya. This, too, Putin cited when invading Ukraine. (If this were all not bad enough, Horton shows how the Clinton administration supported the bin Ladenite terrorists in the Balkans wars and in Chechnya. Indeed, more than half of the September 11 hijackers were involved in these wars in the Balkans and Chechnya—often both.)
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  https://mises.org/mises-wire/provoked-long-train-abuses-culminated-ukraine-war

  Enough Already - Time to End the War on Terrorism - Scott Horton

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