Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant

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  latt9292
  August 21st, 2023
  

  These fires have nothing to do with “climate change.” The authorities are not maintaining the forests and the power lines.

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  orpilot
  August 21st, 2023
  

  latt9292 must subscribe to the DJT school of forestry idea that they need to rake the leaves like they do in Europe.

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  latt9292
  August 21st, 2023
  

  Orpilot, this has zero to do with DJT who must be living in your head rent free. This is about poor forest management.

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  apnea
  August 22nd, 2023
  

  

  latt9292, sounding as desperate as the rest of your denier sisters.

  You guys knee jerk with the same cut & paste ‘poor forest management’ simpleton line for every fire the last 25 years. Sounds like a stutter.

  It was a grass fire…….Duh. ‘poor forest uh I mean grass management. That’s what I meant, poor grass management.

  With climate deniers. All it takes is give them a little rope. latt9292 destroyed himself with one sentence.

  latt9292, how many times have you embarrasses yourself in the last week claiming poor forest management, for a grass fire? lol

  How to trigger a climate denier in 1 word ‘GRETA’.

  1400 dead Americans in Hawaii in the deadliest fire in American history.

  This is just a typical fire if not for almost every thing combustible being tinder dry due to years of ‘exceptional drought’ from global warming.
  For sometime now wildfires in Hawaii have become more frequent & destructive, which is part of a planet wide patter that is only going to get worse. BTW as predicted a few decades ago.

  Almost everything climate science has predicted has come to pass with the only significant they got wrong was the timing - Faster Than Expected. Some version of that phrase has appeared in more papers than I can count.

  So deniers would have eeryone believe the last decade of unprecedented town burning wildfires the world over are the fault of ‘poor forest management’ of every forestry service in over 150 different nations.

  And what about the 21st century inability to put out these fires before they burn cities & people to the ground?

  Is it the same guys who make up the forestry service depts of 150 nations who are also bumbling incompetent fire fighters?
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  Is that why in spite of possessing a long list of firefighting tactics & equipment that did not exist 100 years ago we cannot stop fires within this century.
  The list: satellites, spotter planes, instant communication for 95% of humans including satellite phones & walkie talkies for fire fighters in the bush,
  water bombers, Smoke Jumpers, small, portable & powerful pumps that can be moved around fires to creeks, rivers, lakes with trucks, choppers & ATV’s, advanced fire fighting science with decades of research with digital data crunching data & infinity fire simulations - none of this was around 100 years ago. We have all this plus highly trained & courageous firefighters & with 1 one call our frinds around the world will have their equivalents on a jet and here to help us in less than 24 hours, YET we can’t save our towns and people from burning down when last century we could. Further, after everyone of these neo fires when they interview the seasoned fire fighters, some with 40+ years experience fighting wildfires all over the world they say similar - ‘I’ve never seen anything like that & I’ve never seen fire move like that before’.

  Go ahead denier, tell us how it’s all bad firefighting practices or whatever else tou think tank pukes out for you to copy N paste/

  Y’all might want to stay frosty. Reading around the web shows the loved ones of the dead and those who lost everything don’t want to hear your politics anymore. No group has been more on the wrong side of history than climate deniers. I predict the think tanks, PR scum firms and funders will throw their loudest paid deniers to the wolves in the not to distant future. Power always throw as many of their underling to the wolves as needed to satisfy the mobs.
  Nobodies like you should be ok as long as you don’t run your mouth in public.

  I was wondering if those of you remaining deniers have heard from any conservation groups who want to protect you and put those of you on the endangered species list.

  Maui, Lyton BC 2021 with Canadian all time high temperature set at 49.6C 121F the day before the little town & area was burned to ash. 2016- Gatlinburg Tennessee, Pigeon Forge & Great Smoky Mountains wildfires burned to hell. Same year 2016, Fort McMurray Alberta, 88,000 people evacuated, almost 5000 structures turned to ash. There’s more Siberia, Australia & many you only hear about if you don’t live in a bubble.
  I live in BC, since 1972. All over. I now what a healthy forest looks like & I know what an unhealthy forest, bone dry & pine beetle ravaged because the winter beetle diebacks are to few because of warm winters. All life booms after 2 warm winters.
  We’ve had big fast structure burning & lake jumping fires again with smokey skies. Forestry policy & management does not dry the F out of everything burnable.
  Pay attention if you want to learn to survive. Those who ignore & wait for gov are probably going to die or suffer. Getting out of the way & protecting people & infrastructure is the only card humans have left.

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  apnea
  August 22nd, 2023
  

  

  *1400 lives*

  “The dryness required for the wildfires came from droughts, which are “lasting longer and getting more severe” across Hawaii, according to Frazier, who studied how rainfall patterns have changed in the islands over the past century. Temperatures have increased, owing to climate change, which dries out vegetation faster.”
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  “They have taken at least 96 lives and caused more than US$5.52 billion dollars of damage.”
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  “The dryness required for the wildfires came from droughts, which are “lasting longer and getting more severe” across Hawaii, according to Frazier, who studied how rainfall patterns have changed in the islands over the past century. Temperatures have increased, owing to climate change, which dries out vegetation faster.”

  https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02571-z

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  koloko
  August 22nd, 2023
  

  @latt9292: How many forests have you personally inspected and determined that their level of management was poor?

  Additionally, can you please explain your qualifications and experience with respect to forest management?

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  orpilot
  August 22nd, 2023
  

  I’ve been retired for several years after working for a company that uses heavy lift helicopters for fire suppression. I’ve flown all over the western US and Canada and saw a rather alarming change over the forests for the last 20 years or more. It irrefutably points the finger at climate change and it’s not just droughts or less snowpack although those are major factors. What’s been happening is lessening in winter low temperatures in the western US and Canada. Historically, extreme winter low temperatures kept populations of western bark beetle, spruce bud worm and other critters at bay. Every year I noticed larger and larger stands of dead trees, to the point where you could fly over an area for 50 miles and see nothing but dead trees. Colorado was the most dramatic but it’s becoming more and more an issue in BC. Add this problem of dying forests from insects with the fact that warming is hitting the northern latitudes with several times more, then you begin to see this increase in forest fires as inevitable.

  An interesting trend of late, especually in California is that the forest service has been doing a lot more prescribed burns to stay ahead of the problem.

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  WangLaoshi2020
  August 23rd, 2023
  

  @orpilot Reading what you shared might just explain why big trees in the neighborhood I used to live (an older residential area with lots of big and tall spruce or fir in people’s yard) suddenly died in recent years. Really sad to see those brown dead trees standing there (not sure why those home owners don’t cut them down) and I was puzzled by this for a long time.

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  orpilot
  August 24th, 2023
  

  @WangLaoshi2020. yep, the insects borrow into the phloem layer under the bark. In my area, I had an infestation in mostly douglas fir trees and I cut down the trees as soon as they were infected and died but every year there were more infections in adjacent trees. I don’t know if it did any good.

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  apnea
  August 25th, 2023
  

  

  **There are complex reasons for our dire wildfires, but scientists say climate change plays key role**

  “Year after year, B.C. keeps breaking wildfire records. The four worst seasons on record have all happened since 2017, and the consequences have been crushing — firefighters killed, an entire village virtually destroyed, and oppressive smoke blanketing communities across the continent.”

  “But even though all these different elements play a part in our worsening wildfires, climate change has an outsized role, scientists say.

  That imbalance is playing out in the boreal forests that have gone up in flames across Canada during this year’s disastrous and unprecedented fire season.”

  “On balance, B.C. is seeing increasingly hotter, drier summers and fire seasons that start earlier and last longer than they did a decade ago, according to Mike Flannigan, a professor of wildfire fire at Thompson Rivers University.

  “It’s really all about the weather. That’s the reason why we’ve got this incredible fire season,” he said.

  “Our forest management practices, they’ve been like this since about the ’80s. So why is it we’re seeing the bad fire seasons now? It’s because the weather has gotten more extreme.”

  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/wildfire-factors-climate-change-1.6939911

  Climate change deniers were/are 100% WRONG WRONG WRONG going on 40 years. You are fast approaching a point in history where you are going to need to man up, or crawl under a rock. In the last decade I’ve seen plenty of conservatives, say they had it wrong & contrary to most people’s big fears of being humiliated or ridiculed the opposite usually happens. You’re more likely to earn quiet respect since many people have been in that same spot & they appreciate how tough it can be to humble yourself.

  As I’ve said before we will never walk away from fossil fuels, especially crude oil which is a kin to magic. The data shows we are using more fossil fuels & in spite of the growth in solar & wind, fossil fuels make up 82% of our total energy consumption. With the climate, the hour is very late. Climate change is in runaway with more positive self reinforcing feedback loops than you can shake a stick at. There’s another sub-tribe who also need to shut up, grow up N get real. Those lefties who have called me a nihilist & a doomer for decades even when every metric says I’m right. I know I don’t have a college degree, but they only play that lame argument from authority card because they have no data that supports what they’ve preached. Mike Mann & crew are so desperate they have said doomers discouraging people, not to take action is to blame. Same tactic they tried when Hillary lost. Those Russians have the same god like influence on the American voter, but me & the other 999 science based journeymen Doomers have managed to discourage the global population of 8 billion. How flattering, yes, I discouraged China from choosing the green utopia. If only I knew. I would have went into sales & become obscenely rich.

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant
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  integspec
  July 23rd, 2024
  

  Thank you!

  Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World - John Vaillant

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